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		| Originally posted by sgtclub I agree with you, but you have to remember that Ukraine has been working towards democracy for a decade longer than Afghanistan.
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 Fine, but you were the one posting about Afghanistan, not Ukraine.  And you're not saying much at all about Iraq lately, which is no surprise.  Donald Rumsfeld just promised that our troops would be home within four years.  When Kerry said something similar the conservative press attacked him for wanting to cut and run, but I don't suppose there's any point in waiting for criticism of Rumsfeld on the same score.
Obviously, we've all taken to heart the idea that in order to win the war in Iraq, it's dreadfully important that we pretend to be winning it, lest the insurgents learn from our media that they actually are winning, and proceed to win even more as a result.  Consistent with this strategy,
- it's worth noting how far we've gone toward lowering the goalposts for "success" in Iraq. If you'd said before the war that over a year (and 1,000 U.S. fatalities) after the fall of Baghdad, U.S. forces would still be taking large numbers of casualties in an effort to create a government dominated by Shiite fundamentalists that has little capacity to exercise control over broad swathes of Iraqi territory you would have been labled a major-league pessimist about the venture. Now that's the hope of the optimists. 
Yglesias in TAPPED.  
Democracy in Iraq is right around the corner, right?