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Old 01-21-2005, 06:41 PM   #1747
Tyrone Slothrop
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Originally posted by bilmore
What if Joe stole Bob's car, through no fault of Bob's, and then ran me over? I think that analogy is closer than yours. I doubt that SH was driving Iraq with the knowledge and permission of its owners.

The whole point is that SH essentially held the country hostage through force. There are certain debts (?) incurred by SH that benefitted the people not at all. He's gone, the "Iraqi government" that did the wrong is gone, and there's a common recognition that this was a freeing of a people. And, yes, SH would have written his own personal check - since everything was his, by forceful expropriation.

If these guys are owed anything, (and I think they are - let's not turn this into another "Bilmore hates the injured" theme), they are owed it by us. Our country, in whose service they were hurt. Their torture in no way benefitted the Iraqi common guy.
I've already explained that you are wrong as a matter of law, and that our own government rejects your position. So, without arguing that at further length, I take it that you agree that if we are supporting Kuwait's claims against Iraq relating to the invasion of the former by the latter, it's pretty shitty of our government to tell the torture victims to go pound sand?
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