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Old 03-29-2005, 06:22 PM   #1537
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Ty- now is it a scandal?

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Originally posted by bilmore
War sucks. War allows civilized people to do uncivilized things. Hopefully, we catch them, explain to the world that this wasn't acceptable to us, and punish appropriately (which said appropriateness includes the context of the war we sent those kids into.) But, it's war. How many dead? How much destroyed? And, how much worse would it have been for Iraqis to have SH continue in place? All important contextual issues.

It's neither right nor Right, but I can't get too het up* about it.

(PWT term of art.)
I agree with you to an extent. War creates an environment where certain actions by soldiers, such as looting, rape, and abuse of prisoners, are almost guaranteed to happen absent strong, organized, and effective leadership determined to prevent it from happening. As gatti noted, these actions are no longer shocking isolated incidents; they're widespread.

That they're so widespread leads me to 3 conclusions: (1) the military leadership actively supported the abuse of Iraqi prisoners; (2) the brass did not actively encourage torture, but turned a blind eye to the situation and let the sheiks fall where they may, because war sucks; or (3) the military leadership is completely incompetent.

I don't know which of the 3 it is, but all 3 readily explain the military's unjustifiable stonewalling on this issue. Whether or not you agree with the war in Iraq, our treatment of prisoners is completely inexcusable and will reflect poorly on our nation as a whole. Something stinks here. I would hope that this is enough of a nonpartisan issue that Rs and Ds could work together to get to the bottom of this, but my lack of cynicism has left me disappointed before.
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