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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Proponents of torture always say, well what if you needed to torture a terrorist to figure out where he had stashed a nuclear bomb that was about to kill thousands of people? The suggestion is that if torture is OK in those hypothetical circumstances, then the rest of the conversation is just a difficult exercise in line-drawing, but that the question of principle has been answered.
The thing is, people get tortured because we -- "we" in the sense of the people in whose name others are getting tortured in Iraq and around the world -- don't know enough, not because we have certainty that we'll learn something specific and necessary. Most of the people in Abu Ghraib were innocent, according to military sources. The torture happens because we don't know much about the insurgency (e.g.) and we're desperate to learn. These hypotheticals make for interesting recollections of the first year of law school (speaking of torture...), but they get the basic situation wrong.
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What the revisionist pussies love to forget that this country was built upon the backbone of young men. Young men who were violently tortured and who bled the RED of our Red, White and Blue.
Do you think the patriots of Boston and Philly and weren't tortured and starved by the Boddy redcoats back in 1777? They raped the women and left injured Minutemen to starve in stocks, while bleeding from infected, gaping wounds from primative musket fire. Same thing in the War of 1812, except this time we had the French and the Redskins piling on with the torture.
In the Spanish-American war, US soldiers, when caught, would be left to die of thirst in a hole. Unlike this Schiavo chick, these boys were awake.
And do we really need to talk about WWII? Baatan? Those slope savages slaughtered ever injured soldier they could find. If they weren't deliberately maimed first. Many were beheaded and their heads were taked as trophies. Two more words: Iwo Jima.
And what was that quagmire in the 60's? You know, the one where the commie pigs tortured and kept our boys in pens for tens of years. Too bad the Geneva Convention was around to prevent it.
And you dare to talk about torture.
