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So Peggy Noonan agrees with me . . .
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Originally posted by sgtclub
What I said was that the use of force is justified in certain circumstances even if not for self defence.
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And I asked what they were, and you never answered.
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I also said there are utility arguments justifying the use of torture (assuming torture is effective to get information, put overwhelming fear in the heart of the enemy, etc.) but you don't seem to buy those.
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I find it very, very odd that someone with such a strong commitment to individual property rights subscribes to a utilitarian justification for torture. If you think torture is justified because the harm to the tortured individual is outweighed by the benefit to the torturers, so be it, but don't go invoking individual rights at other times.
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