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Old 04-10-2005, 05:49 PM   #2333
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Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
With respect to the first, I submit that you've (not You and Spanky, but the overall group that includes you guys) allowed yourselves to get painted into a corner.

Well, maybe not painted, but the group accepted the characterizations made by the left. As a result, we see leaders disavowing everything they personally don't like about the party, as if the characterizations are correct.

With respect to the second, I'm not really sure what you are talking about, but I assume you aren't suggesting that the Right is trying to get the Courts to ban abortion on a national level! Well, maybe somebody is, but not really the Right.

But you are talking about something else, right? Schiavo perhaps?

On another note regarding California Rs, is LA really gonna get rid of the R mayor rather than hire 2000 more police officers like Bratton requested? I can't believe there is even a serious debate about that out there, particularly with any of the recent former LA police chiefs serving as the mouthpiece of the opposition! Good thing for LA this story isn't getting wider national coverage, because it ain't making the population out there look too good.
The problem with the Republican party in California is product branding. The proportion of Democrats to Republican in this state hasn't really changed in forty years. The only thing that has changed is the amount of independant. That has gone up. With more independant you would think the Republicans could win more. However, in Governor Wilson's time if you asked someone what they though a repulican was they would say: small government, lower taxes, tough on crime, responsbile government. Now when you ask someone, they say: Pro-Gun, Pro-life. Two highly unpopular positions, especially with woman. Women in California have just stopped voting for Republicans. The reason why this has happened is because the Social Conservatives have controlled the party and keep running social conservatives for office. We had a Governor with the lowest approval rating in its history win relection because the Republican ran a pro-life, pro-gun candidate against him. Republicans can win statewide in California and in swing districts - it happens all the time - but the only ones that do are pro-choice Republicans. But the social conservatives are in denial and keep making up excuses why their candidates lose - bad organization, bad communication etc.
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