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Old 04-10-2005, 10:40 PM   #2338
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Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
With respect to the first, I submit that you've (not You and Spanky, but the overall group that includes you guys) allowed yourselves to get painted into a corner.

Well, maybe not painted, but the group accepted the characterizations made by the left. As a result, we see leaders disavowing everything they personally don't like about the party, as if the characterizations are correct.
You really don't know what you are talking about. The shift in CA is primarily based on demographics. Hispanics make up a huge plurality of CA and will be a majority by the end of the decade. The GOP historically has done a very poor job appealing to minorities, especially blacks and hispanics. Coupled that with Wilson's stance on Prop 189 (which I agreed with) and you have a recipe for perpetual minority party status, until the GOP makes a real effort to court the hispanic vote.

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With respect to the second, I'm not really sure what you are talking about, but I assume you aren't suggesting that the Right is trying to get the Courts to ban abortion on a national level! Well, maybe somebody is, but not really the Right.

But you are talking about something else, right? Schiavo perhaps?
What is the Right you keep talking about? The anti-abortion crowd is taking the fight in stages. Why do you think the pro-choice crowd puts up such a fight to parental notification? The first step is to overturn Roe. After that is accomplished I am confident that there will be a movement to federalize the issue in the other direction. The GOP no longer stands for localization of social issues. Oh, and by the way, the fucking hypocritical non-cultural conservatives will remain silent on the issue.
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