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Originally posted by taxwonk
In the first place, Spnky, the mere fact that this discussion is taking place is confirmation of the fact that we still haven't defined it.
Furthermore, you can't assert that because what is "good" didn't have a relative scale under Plato doesn't mean he understood it any less than we do today, at least not if what you're debating is the foundation of morality as an absolute.
Finally, Plato did not assume that "everyone would agree on what is good and what is not." Plato posited that there is an ideal "Good" (i.e., the Form) and that we, as mere mortals could not fully understand the Form, but only attempt to puzzle it out on the basis of human faculties, like empathy, mutual benefit, and rational discourse.
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1) Yes - we haven't defined it and that is the problem. That was the point I was making and you seem to agree with me.
2) I never said we understand the moral code better than Plato, I just stated he never stated an origin of morality. How do you decide what is good and evil. Either that decision is random or it is based on a code. That code must have an origen Just like what is legal or illegal. The question of what is legal or illegal is absurd without legal treaties. Plato, by positing there is an ideal Good is saying there is a universal Code. Can't you see that. He never states where this ideal Good comes from, so as for my question, Plato does not help.
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Originally posted by taxwonk You are talking in circles and making less sense each time around. I suggest you stop, think through exactly what it is you believe, why you believe it, and why anyone else here should care. Then, and only then, should you take this discussion to the next level. Because it's becoming apparent that the more others respond to you, the more confused you are getting.
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Why is it that the most ignorant people are always the most arrogant and condescending. I have put a lot of thought into this over many years. You are the one talking in circles and not following a logical train of thought. For future reference, I have no interest in how you think I should or should not conduct myself on the board. I don't tell you how to conduct yourself and I expect the same courtesey from you. Is that too much to ask?
