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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I view myself as an Augustinian-Pelagian, believing that people are both good by nature and inherantly fallen. Grace is as intrinsic as original sin.
Indeed, I think the post-Vatican II Catholic church has embraced at least as much Pelagianism as did Pelagius.
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Nah, they're generally considered semi-Pelagian; Pelagius denied original sin entirely, believing that, if man has free will, and must choose to act in accordance with God's wishes to be saved, then man must inherently have the capacity to do so (i.e.: man can through exercise of his will, effectively, save himself - I've heard this best summarized as "responsibility necessarily implies ability"). Semi-Pelagianism (which also was formally denounced, but is, you are correct, pretty much the unofficial view of the RC these days) holds that man is fallen and grace is still necessary to enable man to discern God's wishes, but grace alone is not sufficient to secure salvation.
Straight-up Augustinianism (grace alone, and that in the sole discretion of God) is still official doctrine. Evangelical proddies are pretty much the last proponents of that.
On a more fun (and, given the lack of anything useful happening today, appropriate) note, this dude made me think of y'all:
http://abum.com/?show_media=1439#nohead
(work-safe; must have sound)
