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Old 05-31-2005, 01:47 AM   #4755
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Sorry, Flinty, nothing personal

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Originally posted by taxwonk
Actually, good is that which is not evil and morality is choosing not to do evil, but instead, choosing to do good. So, you see, it isn't a tuatological argument: doing that which is good is moral, not because what is moral is good, but because what is not evil is good.
You can't define evil by saying that it is something that is not good. Or visa versa. You need to define one of them. Good, evil or moral.

Over the weekend I read a book called "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Futre of Reason". By Sam Harris. I had read summaries of it before, seen interviews of the author but I actually careflly read it this weekend. The thesis of the book is that all Faith is bad, and unless we learn to question people's faith (with the advent of Weapons of Mass Destruction) we are all doomed. The author had clearly come across people with my world view before, so he addressed each one of the things I have proposed on the board and critisized it (rather well). There is a whole section were he argues that ethics and morals do not need to come from either faith or from selfishness. It is almost like entire sections of the book were written just to call B.S. on what I have been saying on this board. The author did a very good job of explaining what I was trying to say on this board, before he attacks it. If people want to read this book, and then start a new thread discussing it, I am totally open to that. I think it would be a perfect starting point for a discussion on morality. However, I think it is time to let this discussion end. I realize main cause of it getting out of hand and utterly tedious was me, but even I have realized that it has become pretty absurd.
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