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Originally posted by Spanky
You call me a simpleton when you claim to be a moral relativist and yet think certain civil liberties are universal and are endowed to us by our our creator?
Do you really not see that there is a big difference between a government killing its own people and people get killed in a war? You need to use force to get justice. But you should only use the necessary force. But when fighting for justice people can get hurt and even killed. You can't see the difference between that and killing people for unjust end.
You can't see the difference between collateral damage in a war fought for a just cause and intentionally killing people for an unjust cause?
Answer me this. Was it OK to kill millions of Germans to stop Hitler? And if it was does that justifcy Hitler killing millions of people to serve his purposes.
Our all intentions the same?
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There isn't a lot of difference a government killing its own people and people getting killed in a war.You can call it collateral damage if you want, but it still boils down to killing innocents.
Sometimes that killing is acceptable. It was acceptable in WWII because of the fact that Hitler was practicing genocide. Of course, we didn't get into WWII because Hitler was practicing genocide. We, meaning the upper levels of military and civilian government knew it was going on, but they didn't think it was worth getting involved in. We got into WWII because of Pearl Harbor, and the fact that Germany declared war on us after we declared war on Japan.
I also don't think it was a bad thing that Saddam was deposed. Had Bush I done it in 92 when we were driving him out of Kuwait, I would have wholeheartedly supported that. But he didn't.
Bush II also didn't depose Saddam because he was killing off thousands of his own citizens and trying to exterminate the Kurds. In fact, we've stood by for decades as Iran, Iraq, and Turkey have all tried to eradicate the Kurds.
W went into Iraq because he was getting his ass kicked by the press for failing to get Bin Laden. He needed a diversion. That's why we went into Iraq. And killing people because you need to boost your poll ratings isn't true or just or right. It's cynical, dishonest, and borders on the criminal. I say borders because I'm not aware of an existing statute that would expressly fit this situation.
As I said yesterday, right war, wrong time, wrong reasons, too great a cost.
