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(a) You misunderstand, Mr. Penske.
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Maybe yes, maybe no.
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(b) It did not change my view of Clinton much because by the time I read the Broderick interview I had long since concluded that he was a deeply flawed and in many ways probably a lousy human being. I did not vote for him in 1996, because I had long since decided that he would do or say anything to be elected.
(c) That said, there are a limited number of choices each cycle as to who can possibly be the President of the United States. You have a choice -- who do I want to govern our country from this bunch. Whether they are shitty human beings is only part of the equation. There is also the whole party that comes with them, policy issues, etc.
(d) I am very pleased that Bill Clinton was President from 1992-2000 as opposed to any of his GOP opponents or even any of the GOP primary contenders. I would have voted for him over Bush in 2000 had he been running.
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I guess it's no. I think our country is enlightened, educated and based on a communal moral foundation to be of a collective judgment, inherently, that having a man, any man, of any party, who rapes and violently beats a woman and is a serial sexual abuser of subordinate (NPI) woman in the workplace, as president or a presidential candidate is wrong. Maybe I am naive or anachronistic in my outlook but I think we should have enough collective moral clarity to look at that one and say there is no justification for someone with so little character or such a vile immoral character to be president. Unfortunately the 4th Estate punted on its duty to raise the issues in a timely manner for the electorate to truly be able to assess them. Further, the government has never truly examined the abuse of process and intimidation that the Clintons engaged in result in Broaddrick sitting on her rights at the time of the rape.
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(e) Let's not get into rape hypotheticals involving my family members. Of the four candidates you have listed, two of them have been violently raped.
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And maybe I have too. You have no way of knowing. For my part regardless of whether I do or not, I have enough respect for the rule of law to advocate that an injustice and infringement of a fellow citizens rights,m such as occured with Broaddrick or Willey et al, has no place in America and I feely duly passionate about that.
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(f) If you can truly summon such tremendous personal outrage over such 25 year old (alleged) crimes involving people you do not know [and which (as alleged), while very bad, were not near the extremes]) you are either unbalanced or have lived an extraordinarily sheltered life.
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so what you saying is that any of the prosecutions in recent times for past civil rights violations (eg Byron De la beckwith et al) are the result of people who are either unbalanced or have lived an extraordinarily sheltered life? Why? We live in a country of laws, we are lawyers, why shouldn't we advocate that justice be served?
I do not understand the process by which you arrive at such conclusions. Someone was raped and the rapist not only walks around with no conseuqence but has his spokespeople mock the victim. Again I would ask how you would like it if the victim here was a close family member? And if you would be outraged, why is your outrage limited to just family members? Shouldn't our laws protect all of us, whether they are related to us or not? Should we all, and especially lawyers, advocate for such process?
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(g) If you are not truly so outraged, then your displays here are all the more tasteless, and even less excusable.
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Interesting morality you exhibit. Clinton's a rapist, but it's been 25 years since he wasn't punished for it so I am a tasteless asshole for pointing it out. Maybe to reform my image I should emulate Clinton.
Poll: If I throw my secretary up against the wall of my office and thrust one hand up her skirt and one hand up blouse and fondle her feminine parts will all of all y'all who voted for Clinton vote for me too?
