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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I thought the point of your original post was that Clinton was lying.
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I never said Clinton was lying about Iraq. I was pointing out that Clinton thought that there were WMDs.
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It occurs to me that you may have been quoting Clinton to prove that Bush wasn't lying. If so, I suggest you read something more germane: Ron Suskind's recent book, The One Percent Solution. The Platonic Ideal .
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How come every time you suggest reading something it is just some propagandist B.S. Instead why don't you try making an argument instead of telling us to read something that is irrelevent, of dubious quality, or says something different than what you say it says. Only an idiot would suggest that Bush did not think Iraq had WMDs. Everyone, including Clinton, his wife, Pelosi and everyone else thought Saddam had WMDs. In order to lie you have to believe what you are saying is not true.
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Spanky would read that book and come back and say, "it is well and good that Presidents mislead the public about the war on terror because that is what Presidents have always done and it is how we fight these wars."
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Presidents have lied in the past, and they have had reason to. In this case Bush didn't lie, but even if he had lied it would have been irrelevent. The whole "Bush lied" argument is pure politics. Just a way for the Democrats to get votes, but from a policy and historical perspective it is completely irrelevent.
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You would refer to FDR, and so on.
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I seem to recall in prior posts you denied that FDR ever lied (which of course he did - I am glad he did).
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And then we would have a well-intentioned and meaningful conversation about how 9/11 changed everything and whether democracy is a good form of government for fighting wars and the extent to which we are abandoning our constitutional traditions in order to export them to countries like Iraq.
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There is nothing in the constitution that says the president can't lie (of course lying under oath is a whole other matter). When FDR lied to get us into World War II the consitution was not threatened.
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop OTOH, if you were criticizing Clinton's foreign policy,
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Can't you read? I have critisized Clinton in the past, but I have never critisized his foreign policy. I have critisized the fact that Clinton lied under oath, committing a felony, and was not punished for it (Impeachment is not a punishment - it has no negative consequences).
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop I will just point out that no matter how many words you use, it is still true that when he left office Iraq had no WMD and that he found a way to make this happen short of invading and occupying the country.
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How do you know that the WMDs did not still exist until Bush II started making his threats? Clinton certainly believed that Saddam had WMDs when he left office. They could have been destroyed during Bush II administration just prior to Bush II's invasion. Or they could have been removed to Syria during the invasion, or destroyed during the invasion. And Clinton did nothing to get Saddam to remove his WMDs. I am not blaming him because there was nothing he could do, but to say he did something to get Saddam to destroy his WMDs is just blind partisan B.S.
