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Old 07-06-2006, 03:18 PM   #1644
Tyrone Slothrop
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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
1. You don't withdraw the troops with undoubteadly disatrous consequences to follow merely because Rummy and W don't have a great plan. An undoubtedly catastrophic plan is not preferable to a poorly executed one.
I tend to agree, but I think reasonable minds can differ about whether the result would be worse than the current course we're on.

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2. You're right. "Cut and run" is a slogan. An accurate one.
What makes you think it accurately reflects Ned Lamont's views?

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3. We can't afford to go to Iran, and it will never be politically possible. Hersch may be right about what Bush thinks, but thats a far cry from what Bush can actually do.
We can afford to bomb the shit out of Iran, especially if we pay for it with the deficit spending you love. And Bush doesn't need political support to do it. He's the CIC for the next 2+ years.

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4. I complain about Democrats becasue they have an obligation to put together a sensible alternative plan, if for no other reason than to foster a debate. Behaving like Berkely-ite academic lefties casts them further and further into the wilerness. Remember, I'm a Libertarian. A lot of what the Dems believe on social issues is what I believe. Joe ain't my favorite Dem, but he's one who has a voice, and makes the party look good, so I don't see any good reason to cut the guy off.
The Dems have an obligation to try to get elected to end this nonsense.
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