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Old 08-11-2006, 12:10 AM   #3305
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Arafat would say he came from inside Palestine. You don't have to agree with everything he said to see some truth in that. Ask Spanky.
Wrong. He came from Cairo.



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The terrorism and WMD rationales don't withstand the light of day. He actually let in the UN inspectors, but you and President Bush remember it differently.

I asked you the other day to explain what "terrorism" means as a category. You appear to attach great significance to the fact that some brutal applications of violence are state-sponsored, but others are not. If both Arafat and Hussein were brutes, why does it matter that Hussein had a country and Arafat only had the PLO?

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He let inspectors in and thwarted the process. He didn't let inspectors in and thwarted the process. Effectively he was non-compliant.

The difference is with Hussien, as a leader, putatively elected, we tried to deal with him as you deal with a state. When all diplomatic approacjh failed. wE went to war. TWice.

With arafat,. there was a simpler solutuion, not recognize the false legitimacy. We didn't have to talk to him. We choose to. That was wrong, and it legitimised terrorism as a means to international respectability.


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Seriously. What have I said that makes you think I don't denounce him?
Because you won't unqiualifiedly denounce him for what he was, a murdering terrorist.


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Nor did Arafat. Unfortunately, Palestinians saw him as their leader.

And trhe Manson family saw Charles manson as a leader, so what?

He was a murderous terrorist and we should have refused to deal with him (as Bush eventually did., see it can be done!) and/or refuse to deal with his terrorist apparatus. If you would refuse the false legitimization of bon Laden as a leader (hypotehtically per my earleir questions) why do you confer the same on arafat?
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