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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Spanky, sometimes I can't believe the stuff that comes out of your mouth. You really haven't been paying attention, have you?
"Lincoln threw US citizens . . . l. So did Wilson and Roosevelt. What has Bush done to a US citizen that even comes close to this?"
Bush did exactly that -- to American named Hamdi and Padilla -- and he had his DOJ argue vociferously every step of the way through the Courts for the right to do exactly that to American citizens in the name of national security. Indefinite detention. No trial required. No access to counsel needed b/c no charges filed. No judicial review of any kind.
Bush made all of those arguments -- and it took three+ years fro him to lose on all of them.
So, even concentrating on this as the sole infringement on civil liberties -- there is your answer.
S_A_M
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Once you join an army that is taking arms against the United States don't you immediately lose your citizenship. I am pretty sure it says that in my passport. In fact once you join a military organization without US approval, I think it is game over. We don't even have to be at war with them. If that isnt' the rule it should be. When Germans joined the German army during WWII wasn't that it? One of these guys had joined Al Queda and the other one was fighting with the Taliban.
Its not like these guys were in San Franicsco speaking against the war. One had a gun and was shooting at American soliders on foreign soil and the other went to foreign countrys to collaberate with an organization that had declared war on the US.
I can't believe Hamdi still has US citizenship. As for Padilla it is a little tougher because Al Queda is not a foreign nation, but it might as well be. But that is a far cry from locking people up just for demonstrating against the war (as happened in the Civil War, WWI and WWII). Hell, in WWII, they didn't even demostrate, they were thrown in jail just for their ethnicity.
These two cases certainly don't make me lose any sleep at night.
