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Originally posted by Spanky
OK so the bribes didn't work and you admit they kept processing uranium. You think they stopped processing Plutonium, but actually you really don't know.
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No Spanky, you don't know. You know so little about this stuff that you thought the North Koreans were making bombs with reactors we built for them. We know where they process plutonium, and we can tell whether the plant is operating or not.
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No one version of reality. I am just glad you finally admitted to it. Clinton tried to bribe the North Koreans and it didn't work.
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It worked better than doing nothing, which is better than nothing. I don't know why you can't admit that, except that you turn irrational if there's a way to work Clinton into things.
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We gave them resources. They have limited resources. We made it easier for them to continue with their nuclear program. How can you argue with that? Would it have been easier for them to continue with their nuclear program if we hadn't given them resources?
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You don't just need "resources" to build the bomb. You need certain kinds of resources. Fuel oil is not one of them.
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We rewarded bad behavior. How can that be prattle? They do bad stuff we give them things. How can you expect such positive reinforcement to stop them from doing anything?
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We're not training dogs. You and I both agree that the North Koreans cannot be trusted. Clinton knows this too.
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We may have limited options. But rewarding them for bad behavior just makes the situation worse. That is exactly what Clinton did. He rewarded them for bad behavior which encouraged them to be more of a problem.
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Suppose that they stopped processing plutonium for several years. You do agree that this would have been a good thing, right?
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They need to be consistently, and without exception, punished for bad behavior. That is just basic diplomacy with dictators that you are in denial about.
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What do you do, in the real world, with a dictator who does some good and some bad?
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In other words, if we hadn't invaded Iraq they wouldn't have built a bomb. That way of thinking is beyond ignorant and incredibly dangerous.
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Hard to know what they would have done. They don't always act predictably. But once Bush told them that they were part of the axis of evil, and invaded Iraq, can you see why they might have wanted nuclear weapons more?
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Paying extortion money just makes the recipient see you are weak and they can take advantage of you even more. Why can't you see that?
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In a world in which North Korea is close to having nuclear weapons, we don't have a lot of good options. Why can't you just admit that Clinton did something right when he got the North Koreans to stop processing plutonium for several years? Meanwhile, Bush has done jack shit.
