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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
On European borders, you first tell me that the ethnic differences in the British Isles are de minimus, and yet then you count them at the start of your list proving that borders tend to follow ethnic divides.
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In other words the force is so strong it even exerts itself on small ethnic differences let alone the real distinct ones. There are so few borders left that don't follow ethnoinguistic lines the force is down to excerting itself to the slightest ethnolinguistic differences.
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop If I were to haul out the historical atlases, I could point to a number of changes in European borders that you've skipped. Since you count Bulgarian independence as support, read this and count up all the border changes in the first decades of Bulgaria's existence as such. None appear to have been motivated by an effort to redraw borders to follow ethnic or linguistic groupings on the ground.
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Skipped? You asked me for border changes that conformed to my theory. You didn't ask me for ones that didn't. Now you are just getting pathetic. And are you saying that the poitical borders of Bulgaria don't follow ethnic bulgarian lines? Just list four significant border changes that happened in the last forty years that made the political borders of Europe conform less to ethnolinguistic lines?
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop You are now arguing that ethnic cleansing and forced relocation, etc., often result in populations moving to conform to borders. I agree. But this doesn't support the predictions you made at the outset that borders will move. It suggests that borders will remain where they are, and that peoples will move.
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Man you are just being intentionaly obtuse in the face of overwhelming evidence. Everyone takes as a given that Europes borders conform to ethnolinguistic lines, but you fight it. I said that over time political borders conform more and more to political boundaries. I did not limit that to just political borders moving. I listed most of the major border movements of the past seventy five years, and you talk to me about adjustment to Bulgaria that started a hundred and thirty years agos.
I also found it pathetic that you are having to look stuff up on Wikepedia to counter my argument when this stuff is coming right off the top of my head. If you have to look stuff up to counter me doesn't that show you are looking for stuff that is pretty obsure and not as relevent?
The creation of Bulgaria in itself was a huge step towards making Europe conform more to ethnolinquistic borders. At that point sixty percent of the people that spoke bulgarian lived in Bulgaria. The rest was just minor tinkering. And now Bulgaria is like ninety percent Bulgarian.
