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Originally posted by Spanky
I can't believe there wasn't a twenty car pile up over my post on Isreal yesterday? Don't people on this board support Israel? I accused Israel of ethnic cleansing and illegally occupying people. Is it just that people don't want to take Slave's side on anything?
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
As John McLaughlin says...."WRONG"
Israel won the land after fighting and winning a war in which they were initially attacked.
Since when - as a principle of warfare - do the losers get their land back?
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Originally posted by Spanky
Under international law, winners don't get to take land.
Since we won in Iraq, do we get to kick half the Iraqis out, fill that land with Texans, and then occupy the other half of Iraq indefinitely to protect the Texans?
Do you get to occupy another country indefinitely? Russia was attacked by Germany, Romania and Hungary during WWII. So how long should Russia have been able to occupy those countries?
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
If you flood Israel with millions of Arabs, you are advocating ethnic clensing and genocide. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Originally posted by Spanky
Yes but what about kicking out all those Arabs out of Isreal proper? Wasn't that ethnic cleansing? I think about 80 percent of the Jews that live in Isreal today are from somewhere else. So most of the Jews that are there are from somewhere else, and the Arabs that lived there were kicked out.
Wouldn't letting the Arab's back in be reverse ethnic cleansing?
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1. Fuck 'em. Israel won it and they're gonna keep it. You can argue whether it was right or wrong all you want, but that's where the Europeans decided to let "the Jew problem" settle itself, since it was easier than trying to repossess the land and personal property the Jews had been dispossessed of by the Nazis' decision to try and kill them all off.
2. If you really believe that countries can't hold onto territory because they possessed it under hostile terms, when are you planning to give your house back to the Mexicans, so they can give it back to the Spaniards, so they can give it back to the Indians?
3. Russia decided it was cheaper to simply turn Hungary, Yougolsavia, Romania, etc, into vassal states than it would be to occupy over the long haul.
4. On Iraq, we can't really move the Texans in until we move the troops out. And, well, we can't
ever really move all the troops out. So I guess we'll be occupying Iraq for the idefinite future, but not with Texans.
5. When Israel kicks Arabs out of their territory, it really isn't ethnic cleansing or tribalism, so much as a recognition that they can't trust them and can't police them. Anyway, they have the whole rest of the Middle East to settle in, so....
6. Once again, fuck 'em.
(the new, pragmatic) Taxwonk
