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Old 12-10-2006, 03:23 AM   #1811
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Defenders of Israel?

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And it was wrong for Jordan and Egypt not to let them back in.
What do you mean here?

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore And its wrong for Arabs to be clamoring about the "evil" Jews when in their own countries, women can't read or leave the house without their heads covered, lest the "police" throw acid in their face.
Come on Slave. So the US can't complain about the lack of democracy in Iran because we have ghettos? You can still make judgments about other people's immorality if you are not perfect.

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore And its wrong for Carter, Baker, et al (and the other men who have outlived their usefulness) to even suggest we "talk" to Iran, when right at this very moment they are hosting an international conference to determine whether the Holocaust "really occurred".
I think it is wrong that they suggest that we talk to Iran because 1) it is clear Iran wants us to fail so the talks would accomplish nothing, and 2) if we go to them hat in hand it will make it harder for us to intimidate them into giving up their nuclear program. A program, which if successful, will eventually lead to a radioactive wasteland where Tel Aviv used to be.

The irony is that Iraq and Israel are largely unrelated. A peace treaty with the Israelis is not going to change the Iraq situation. The only way the two are related, is that if we have to make concessions to the Iranians to elicit their support, we endanger Israel’s existence.

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore To this day, Arabs have more rights in the "Zionist Entity" then jews are allowed in any other Arab state.
This is true. But they still are forced to live in a "Jewish state", a state defined by ethnicity and religion, when they are neither religiously or ethnically Jewish, and they are living in an area their family has occupied for many centuries.

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore To rephrase an old saw - "If the Arabs lay down their arms, there will be peace in the Middle East. If the Jews lay down their arms, all the Jews will be dead."
This is true. But if you were a Palestinian would you want peace? Sometimes, if the price of peace is accepting the status quo, then peace is not worth it. Don't you agree that that was the status with Saddam Hussein in Iraq?

If you were living in a refugee camp because your family had been ethnically cleansed out of its ancestral homeland that they had occupied for hundreds of years because of their race and religion, and some immigrants of another race and religion were now occupying your homeland, would you want peace if it meant preserving the status quo? Or if you and your neighbors were being occupied by a foreign power would you want peace if it meant keeping the status quo? If you were in either of these situations, and you had absolutely no hope of improving your situation, wouldn't you be tempted to strap on some bombs and attack the people who took your homes or were occupying your land?

To expect the Arabs to want or choose peace (that can be trusted) is beyond naive.

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