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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
Who cares if he isn't the only one who says stupid things. . . .
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No, you don't get it. Carter may have put it too bluntly for you, but he was right. We are "punishing" the Palis for their choice of Hamas. As we should. Carter, in his dotage, can spaek the truth, which is - you choose, you lose. We do "punish" and we should. He may think it wrong, but I say call a Hamas rose the stinkbomb that it is, _and_ a populace of Hamas supporters the car bomb that they are.
That said, the fact that our politicians have glad-handed these fucks is irrelevant. We have engaged in 50 years of failed support of our authoritarians, and, as a result, lost any credibility in world opinion when we try to support or dis-support any regime.
Our actions re Fatah are more of the same. Despite 50 years of contrary experience, we thought that we could sanction or embargo the people in the Gaza to popular revolt, and it worked as well as it did in Cuba, Russia, Vietnam, South Korea, etc. - i.e we created martyrs against the might of the U.S. in favor of our opponent. In contrast, with whom (of note) have we succeeded?
(Pre-emptively, Russia and its satelites do not count because: (1) we actually supported Russia to prevent revolt; (2) the people didn't revolt (other than wanting food), powerful internal sects of the government did; (3) said internal clamor for change was not due to a lack of goods or services brought on by U.S. policy; and (4) it wasn't due to our "spy" agents. Rather, our economic system simply beat theirs down. But it was not due to any machinations dreamed up in State or the Agency- they failed for 46 years. Markets and $$ defeated the Sovs. )
In sum, we ( the U.S., the Israelis, and the world) should "punish" the Palis as we "punished" the Iraqis, Libyans, Iranians, etc. because they elected these fucks. Carter may dislike it because he is anti-semitic, but (whether he is or is not), he is right that we are doing so, and we should.
The Pali problem was fomented by the Arab world, and I think the only solution for Israel is to seal its borders, and/or push all of them out of the West Bank and Gaza into Saudi Arabia and Syria. "You made them, you've inculcated them, shrug, you deal with them." I think that is the only way Israel exists in 50 years. If instead, they continue to want Palis to do their scut work, one of them will infiltrate a dirty bomb into Tel Aviv or Jerusalem, and that's it -because Israel is not the U.S. in that it could survive losing ine city.
But back to you, you need to get beyond the messenger and examine the message - President Carter is the only one telling the truth - for the wrong reasons, maybe, but still ...
