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Originally posted by Gattigap
You lean quite heavily on the prospect that bad shit's been done in the past in the name of advancing American interests. Neither you nor I really know how much this has occurred in the past, but I'm sure that it has in times of crisis.
To my mind, though, these incidents either occur outside of the government's official policy apparatus, or if they occur within it, history usually concludes that it was an unfortunate and ultimately unneccesary retreat in the battle for liberty.
I find your enthusiastic embrace of not only the choice to embrace the bad shit that you deem necessary, but also to enshrine it as part of governmental policy, baffling.
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I'm not in policy.
i did just get done watching "the War." i promise you, at least a few Japanese prisioners got sticks up their anuses to make them talk. we just didn't have cell cameras and the NYT was sort of on our side back then so it didn't hit the papers.
all I'm questioning are Ty's statements that "not torturing" is "being american" and what has happened since 9/11 is "moving away from what it means to be american."
