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[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Actually, TY, being centrist on these matters and not thinking that there is anything wrong with Pelosi being a hypocrite for political gain considering the dirty tricks nature of politics right now, I would have to agree that if she did know about waterboarding but didn't do anything about it until she was able to use it for political grandstanding, she is a hypocrite. And a pretty low one. But like I said, they all are, and for the WSJ or the GOP to point the finger at her and "tsk tsk" might be even bigger hypocrisy.

You seem to be taking the position that Pelosi had no options but to leak the waterboarding. I know you're doing that to trap Hank from a debate standpoint, but we both know she had many more options to address the issue other than an illegal leak.

he almost got me too. is it just slave, club and me that really care about the substnative issues?

If she did what Hank accuses her of doing I say "So what?" This debate has always been a very obvious political game engineered by the Democrats. And there's nothing wrong with that.

I understand you're wanting to believe the Democrats are above that, but come on, dude. They're no better or worse than the GOP (well, recently I'd have to say the GOP has been worse, but that will balance in the future). This is what these people do, and the sooner we admit that to ourselves, the sooner we have sensible debates about this stuff, and, as you described yeaterday, might "take this board seriously."

You realize no one in this country outside the Beltway, Berkeley and blogosphere care about this issue, don't you?

the problem is the moral outrage that torture carries for those guys. now I'm wondering it maybe it isn't just a bit, a tiney tiny little bit, contrived.