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Old 12-14-2007, 09:47 AM   #4553
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
See here and here for some names. But for me it's less the specific individuals, and more the sense I have that Clinton has -- for whatever reason, though I could speculate -- surrounded herself with the Democratic foreign policy establishment which got the Iraq war wrong and often seems more interested in proving its seriousness by distinguishing itself from the left. Clinton and her advisors are cautious, doctrinaire, and hawkish, in comparison to Obama. When Democrats debate foreign policy, there are two debates going on. One is for the people who vote in primaries, whom many Democrats -- Hillary foremost among them -- apparently don't think vote on foreign policy concerns. The other is for the foreign policy elite. Hillary seems to working hard to blur the differences between herself and others in the former debate, while signalling to the audience in the second that she is one of them. Obama, in contrast, doesn't seem to care what the Democratic foreign-policy elite consensus is, and for that I give him high marks.
For Obama's foreign policy views, you stressed the point about how great the persons Obama surrounds himself with. But you are linking me to old articles about Mark Lippert, a 34 year old Naval reservist - can you say anything about that man's role in foreign policy? Probably not. And anyhow, he's in Iraq or just recently back and apparently Daschle's advisor filled the void. Clearly you are sketchy on how Obama would walk us through the minefield of international politics. Given the current state of this world, I just can't vote based on fuzzy ambiguous "feelings."

BTW- Sebby you admitted you have seen Hillary's inner thighs. Nice.

Oh and what is up with the "Oops I did it again" from the Clinton camp: ""The issue related to cocaine use is not something the campaign is in any way raising," Mark Penn, MSNBC's Hardball.
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