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		| Originally posted by dtb You mean maternity leave after the actual recuperation time, I assume -- or would you have the woman just show up the day after (the day of?) she gets out of the hospital?
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 I mean a standard 12 week maternity leave, all paid.  Men here get 6 weeks, paid.  And don't take it, because the culture says that you can take a week or two, but it better not affect your overall hours.
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		| Originally posted by dtb Puh-leeze.  Women are subjected to a double-standard every single fucking day at every single fucking company in every single fucking state of this country.
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 Does continuing to say that make it true?  It sounds like you have some sort of victimization thing going on.  Why don't you just say "men are evil!" and be done with trying to actually discuss this?
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		| Originally posted by dtb Women are "falling down on the job" if they stay home with their kids (or want to take a cut in pay or go part-time or whatever), or else they're just cold-hearted bitches who stay at work (why did you even HAVE kids if you're not going to be home with them?)
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 I hear statements like that from women far more than I hear then from men.  Where I work, men are so emasculated with regard to gender politics that no one would ever say that.  And I don't think that many think it, either.
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		| Originally posted by dtb 
 No way a woman is going to make partner in a year she takes 6 months off.  No way she's not going to have to take a year off her "seniority" if she takes six months off (and probably another year, just for good measure, to make her prove that she's not giving too much time to her family.)
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 At my firm, several women have made partner recently while on, recently returned from, or preparing to go on, an extended maternity leave.
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		| Originally posted by dtb Cry me a fucking river.
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 Likewise, sugar.