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Old 01-20-2020, 10:00 PM   #119
Tyrone Slothrop
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Re: Objectively intelligent.

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski View Post
K. So find it? I was posted paraphrased quotes to make the point that the Dems are not honest.
Well, I asked Sebby because I think he's more focused on the problem than anyone here, but tends to assume that any kind of political action is pointless.

If you want to talk about whether Dems are honest, fine. The person I hear pretending to bring back manufacturing jobs more than anyone else is Donald Trump. If Dems have a pathology here, it's the idea that retraining programs (and going to college, per that article) are going to solve the problem.

On the healthcare issue, attacking Dems as dishonest is totally weird to me. If you have been paying any attention over the last decade, which is sometimes unclear, you know that the Democratic Party is committed to using the government to extend healthcare coverage to pretty much everyone, and the Republican Party is opposed to that, as much for political reasons than out of some conviction that the free market does it better, and has opposed and sabotaged the ACA and lately has taken to lying about it quite a bit, although to be fair Trump lies about everything so maybe this isn't anything unusual. IIRC, you were bent out of shape because you thought the Democrats were being insufficiently candid about how far they would go to implement HCR, so it's a little odd to hear you complain that they were lying when they said they wanted to get it done.

In point of fact, improving the ACA is one of the things that the government can do to really help people who don't have a college degree, and if I were redesigning the party's priorities per that Geoghehan article, I would put HCR and the provision of social insurance at the center. Strengthen Social Security. Stop pretending that the government can bring good jobs to parts of the country that are losing them right now, and create a real safety and benefits to make sure that people don't fall so hard.
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