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Old 02-04-2020, 01:04 PM   #268
sebastian_dangerfield
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Why would the GOP senators who won't vote to convict vote for censure? The incentives are basically the same for them, no?
Alexander and Murkowski already censured him. And his own defense has admitted he did what was accused. Seems a decent way to control him and for the Senate to retain some level of respect. But you're right... It likely won't happen.

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This is such a strange attitude, and, as I've said many times before, strong evidence you consume too much right wing media.
Schiff is a tool. It's just that simple. He's that kid in the fraternity you'd blackball for being an officious pain in the ass. He's the high school hall monitor, the turd who'd rat a class mate out for cheating on a geometry exam. He's that impossibly annoying twit who'd argue you with the professor in law school, precluding everyone from otherwise getting out of class early. He's not a sort you could trust, or would want to trust.

And he's madly ambitious. Tracey Flick with a dick.

My dislike of him is entirely personal. He's clearly very good at what he does.

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I'm very confused about what you think impeachment is, if not a political process.
It's a political process engaged to effect non-political goals (the removal of criminal actors). What Trump did here was stupid and political. But criminal? Only if you read the rule book as might Javert. The impeachment here was as much if not far more interested in the political goal of removing him in an election year where the Ds could lose than in redressing abuse of power. If he'd done what he did for the purpose of taking out a political enemy who was a Never-Trumper republican (like Romney), rather than a Democratic Presidential candidate, this impeachment would not have been pursued. It wouldn't be sexy enough, and Schiff couldn't make the facile argument that unless removed Trump would collude with foreign powers to steal the 2020 election.

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He's making gov't decisions aimed at personal profit. He is incapable of doing otherwise.
He tried with the Mar A Lago event, but the system blocked him. The checks and balances worked. The man's in a reverse panopticon. He can't hum while shitting without the melody being leaked to the public.

What he did in Ukraine was for political, not economic, self-benefit.

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He's doing the equivalent on every golf trip and Florida get-away. And every time the Saudi's rent out a floor (or more) at the DC hotel.
The Saudis are buying influence with hotel rent? They have this thing called oil that confers a whole lot more influence than that. They're also cozy with the Israelis, who have a shit ton of influence over Trump.

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There's is a massive difference between post and in office and you know it.
The Bushes are a big family and a lot of them, of middling talent at best, made a whole lotta money while HW and W were in office. Biden's family seems to have also done alright for a bunch of people of modest ability.

The guy owns hotels. He's President. Some people are going to use his hotels more when he's President for a variety of reasons. Some are going to avoid using them for similar reasons. It probably washes. (I've never stayed at the Trump hotel in DC. The rates are $100 higher than better hotels nearby, and if I see "Trump" on anything, I imagine it is gaudy and ugly inside. [Though I've heard the bars in Trump Hotel in DC are actually tasteful and pretty nice.])
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