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Set aside the merits of the 1619 Project and just ask yourself whether the piece you just posted holds up when you look at what he says about it.

Neither holds up entirely. Both are biased and flawed in certain respects, insightful in others.

The author starts by bemoaning the disappearance of conversation and caring about empirical evidence, replaced by arguments that appeal to moral truths instead. Here's the general argument:

There are distinct and deep-rooted traditions of rational empiricism and religious sermonizing in American history. But these two modes seem to have become fused together in a new form of argumentation that is validated by elite institutions like the universities, The New York Times, Gracie Mansion, and especially on the new technology platforms where battles over the discourse are now waged. The new mode is argument by commandment: It borrows the form to game the discourse of rational argumentation in order to issue moral commandments. No official doctrine yet exists for this syncretic belief system but its features have been on display in all of the major debates over political morality of the past decade. Marrying the technical nomenclature of rational proof to the soaring eschatology of the sermon, it releases adherents from the normal bounds of reason. The arguer-commander is animated by a vision of secular hell—unremitting racial oppression that never improves despite myths about progress; society as a ceaseless subjection to rape and sexual assault; Trump himself, arriving to inaugurate a Luciferean reign of torture. Those in possession of this vision do not offer the possibility of redemption or transcendence, they come to deliver justice. In possession of justice, the arguer-commander is free at any moment to throw off the cloak of reason and proclaim you a bigot—racist, sexist, transphobe—who must be fired from your job and socially shunned.

Practitioners of the new argument bolster their rationalist veneer with constant appeals to forms of authority that come in equal parts from biology and elite credentialing. Have you noticed how many people, especially online, start their statements by telling you their profession or their identity group: As a privileged white woman; as a doctoral student in applied linguistics; as a progressive Jewish BIPOC paleontologist—and so on? These are military salutes, which are used to establish rank between fellow “az-uhs” while distinguishing them as a class from the civilian population. You must always listen to the experts, the new form of argument insists, and to the science. Anything else would be invalid; science denialism; not rational; immoral.

Because of the way it toggles back and forth between rationalism and religiosity, switching categories by taking recourse to one when the other is questioned, the new form of argument-commandment, rather than invalidating itself or foundering on its own contradictions, becomes, somehow, rhetorically invincible—through the demonstration of power relations that the arguer denies exist, but are plainly manifest in the progress of the argument.

A little hard to follow, but it sounds bad if true.

We can have a disagreement about how true those far flung allegations are, or which are true and which are reaches. I don't think all of them can be defended.

But here are the next two paragraphs, about the 1619 Project, with the original links:

The group of historians who submitted their letter of dissent to The New York Times, objecting to the historical claims in the paper’s flagship 1619 project provided a nice demonstration of this point. They questioned the project's scholarship and in response, were accused of being old white men, as indeed most of them were, and antique reactionaries. When they pleaded that they were not abettors of white supremacy but objected to the project’s historical claims, they were told their history was in error. In the end the historians, however distinguished their careers were beforehand, appeared confused and defeated, complaining solicitously in their allotted column inches in the paper’s letters section.

The 1619 project, meanwhile, having essentially conceded the historians’ central point, lost nothing at all. It marches on unscathed toward becoming the official curriculum in the nation’s public school system, replacing the products of the American historical profession as a whole, which must either adapt or suffer a similar humiliation. The outcome proved that whether or not the historians were right about the facts of history, they had made a fundamental error in judging where power lies. At best, they are dopes who thought they were smarter, which is to say more powerful, than they are. At worst, they are professionally self-destructive, and—who knows—maybe even racists.

Clearly the author has some sympathy for the historians who object to the 1619 project, and feels that they were shouted down for the wrong reasons. But doesn't he do exactly what he complains about? Who "accused" them of being "old white men" and "antique reactionaries"?

He does fail to name names. I think he assumes his audience will be familiar with the controversy.

If someone told them their history is in error, isn't that how debate is supposed to work? Sounds like there was an actual empirical dispute there about historical facts, but this author says nothing about it, and just implies that the "group of historians" with "distinguished careers" -- note that he introduces them by their qualifications, but doesn't say anything about the qualifications of the people who disagreed with them, or even who they were -- were right.

He could have been more explicit. But I don't think he's stifling debate here. He's working in an abbreviated medium.

The rhetorical trick here is to say nothing about the dispute itself, but to appeal to sympathy for the distinguished historians.

I think that's laziness. He's trying to avoid explaining the empirical data by saying, "People who knew the data offered solid criticism of it." It's an essay. He's not refusing to engage. He's failing to offer his proofs.

But if they appeared "confused and defeated," could it be because they wrong?

No. The point made was very clear. These historians raised criticisms and they were met with refusals to engage or shaming, as Adder would reply. But you are correct - the author fails to provide detail about the response. I agree that's a big failing.

Did your author even entertain that possibility. Note also that the second link in that first paragraph does support the point it's deployed for at all.

See immediately preceding point.

But, you say, look at the second paragraph! He says the 1619 Project "essentially conceded the historians' central point" ("the historians" slyly implies that the 1619 Project authors were not historians).

I based my conclusions about 1619 on my own reading of some of it.

That sounded suspect to me, so I clicked on the link. Did you? It's not a concession at all. It's a letter from the historians themselves. Does that sound like a robust intellection exchange of ideas, or an appeal to the sort of thing that he's complaining about?

I agree, the statement there was a concession is unsupported, and I do not recall one being given. I saw the same flaw in that statement.

"The outcome proved that whether or not the historians were right about the facts of history, they had made a fundamental error in judging where power lies." Wait -- whether or not the historians were right -- isn't that the question, but now it doesn't matter? "Where the power lies"? The author hasn't said *anything* about "where power lies" -- he's only said that anonymous people disagreed with a bunch of eminent historians. What on Earth does that have to do with his larger argument? Doesn't it suggest that the real problem is people who want to make arguments without listening to the other side?

I think what he's saying is, "Look, a lot of very serious people found a lot of bullshit in 1619, and a lot of political agenda within it." That is true. I didn't read those criticisms, but I saw a load of them in the news.

But to your broader point, yes, he is discounting 1619's problems without giving credit for the areas in which it was insightful.

I stopped reading there. Do you think I should have continued?

I didn't aim the piece at you. I suggested it to Adder. Unlike Adder, you and I can have a sensible back and forth about where an essay succeeds and where it fails. Suppose instead I had just called you a "Social Justice Warrior" and you bleated, "Racist!" Suppose we leveled these stupid kneejerk characterizations at the authors of 1619 and the piece I cited. Does anyone gain anything from that idiotic dialogue?