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Old 01-07-2021, 01:15 PM   #4049
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At any point do you let facts into your analysis? Because this isn't a remotely accurate description of that period of time.
I'm not googling wage growth relative to asset valuation during that period. If you disagree with that assessment, fine. It's supportable with reams of data, and yes, it can also be criticized with reams of data. But there is no way I'm dicking around providing cites for you to attack at the margins in bad faith.

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Wait, you think ending the pandemic is going to be bad for the economy?? Perhaps catastrophically??
Do you know what a K recovery is? This means the economy will return for some, and get worse for many others. The obsolescence of certain industries, certain classes and types of workers, was just radically accelerated. The top half of the K will carry things a bit, but you'll see a real, serious split between the haves and have nots.

The argument against that is people will run out to restaurants, hotels, and travel when this is over. That's true. But those industries have learned numerous efficiencies during this downturn. Coming out of this, there will be far fewer bars, restaurants, hotels, etc. There'll be less office space utilized. The combination of pullbacks, which I couldn't hope to list here, will have a significant negative impact. And even if a mere 10% of jobs in those areas don't come back, it's a huge economic mess.

Small retail? Fucked. And the argument "dark stores" where people order online and then pick things up, will fill that unused space, is facially, obviously wrong.

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Trumpism is about racial resentment and white people's perceived loss of relative advantage, it isn't going away. It never has.
Trumpism is dead. Racial resentment will still exist, but the snake doesn't live without a head. No PT Barnum at the helm, no Trumpism.

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Did you stop reading the history book at that page or something?
Hitler went to jail after the putsch and did something Trump would never do: Wrote a book outlining a coherent ethos and developed a plan to implement it by getting himself elected within the system. He did not throw a hissy fit after losing an election and then dare a pack of beer drunk opioid addicts to storm the Capitol.

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Trump is too dumb. The next guy (whether Cruz or Hawley or Cotton or whomever) won't be.
Those three are establishment republicans. They talk populist bs, but they'd serve their corporate masters, just like all establishment politicians of both parties do.

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The good news is that no one likes those guys, so they may not be able to pull it off. But I'd rather not test it.
I'd rather not allow authoritarianism to sneak in the side door by having credulous people suggest that we need to preclude speech. You seem fine with quiet but actual authoritarianism exercised by increasingly powerful coporations and govt agencies, but concerned about hopelessly ineffective populist authoritarians, and fake populist authoritarians like Hawley. I don't like either, but the former are already controlling us. Maybe it's wise to focus on them, rather than cheerlead them because you're credulous enough to believe they're benevolent?

When I hear a person call himself a liberal and then argue that Twitter and FB need to do something about "dangerous" speech, or that NSA spying was OK because "it's in our best interest," there are but two conclusions to make:

1. Most of our public, and worse, a huge part of our educated public, are easily duped fools;
2. The American ideal of freedom is fucked going forward
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