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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I cited the HPV vaccine controversy for the position that conservatives have previously been anti-vaccine.
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That's like saying that if I root against the Cowboys, I'm opposed to football.
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Except now, that's not the case. Omicron is killing unvaccinated and uniquely vulnerable. And here's the thing about the vulnerable. You or I, vaccinated people, can carry the virus and kill them just as easily as the unvaccinated.
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No, that's false. If you are vaccinated, you are much less likely to develop the load of vaccine that can infect others. Also, a uniquely vulnerable person who gets hit by a truck is dead, and would not have been if the truck had been parked. It's a cute little rhetorical trick that you're pulling, but it's a lie.
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Many "conservatives" are hypocrites. Are you expecting me to dispute that?
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If you think that, then why would you take their "principles" seriously?
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My critique wasn't so much the accuracy of your assessment. It of course holds some accuracy. It's also the sort of haughty comment that winds these fuckers up and makes things worse.
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I'm not talking to them, so how am I making anything worse? Other than confusing Hank, I mean.
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It isn't terribly hard to manipulate these new "conservatives."
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A second ago, you were bitching at me for calling them petulant little children. Pot, kettle, black.
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Treating them like children doesn't work. (This is a strange facet of progressive thinking. They dig in, as stupidly as conservatives, and speak in a manner that alienates others. And all the while they could have been manipulating their enemies.)
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I'm not treating them like anything. I'm talking to you on an internet chat board.
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Yeah, except this isn't a five hour trip from NY to LA. People did that. Then they started saying, wait a minute... these "experts" sound like they're making it up as they go along.
If these "experts" had all stayed off the TV (I blame Trump for starting the daily news spectacle), and issued directives impersonally, by some form of press release every week, I think the directives would have been given a lot more respect.
But we can't have that. Our media had to give Fauci his 15 minutes of fame, and that Orange Imbecile had to politicize it all.
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You go to pandemic with the public health officials (and President, and media) you have, not the ones you wish you had. But I'm not talking about any of that.
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Manipulation. I've had to deal with tea party people. You manipulate them. The same way the moderate democrats manipulate progressives to shut them up. The same way the GOP manipulated the pro-life lobby for decades.
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That's lovely. You're so smart. How do you do it?
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The hysterical focus from CA was virus paranoia w/o a balancing message on the need to protect economic interests. That's what one gets when one has govt run by people most of whom never held real jobs. They focused exclusively on the HC aspect and conveyed an attitude that the damage to businesses was of very minor secondary concern. That was a colossal fuck-up.
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Another rhetorical trick you have is to call people to the left of you with whom you disagree "hysterical". Are there people who find it convincing?
California's death rate from COVID is well below states like Florida and Texas. (You seem to find mortality statistics irrelevant when talking about the pandemic. I would be more impressed with your talking about balancing people's health with the economy if you cared at all about people's health.) Since you seemed convinced that it was too expensive to save all those lives, what was the cost? The site I'm looking at says California's mortality rate has been 204/100,000, and Florida's has been 325. If California had matched Pennsylvania, that would be about another 50,000 deaths. Why do you think saving those people was too expensive?
