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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'll stop you right there. No one thought he was a mastermind.
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I disagree, but we don't need to reach that point. I'd argue with anyone claiming he was even competent.
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Yes, maybe it was just a big coincidence, but since Trump made his ask at a press conference, you can maybe understand why some people would believe he meant what he said.
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He meant it. But any idiot could say what he said. In fact, it was arguably the most idiotic thing to say in response to Russian interference. The better response for a candidate would be to shut his mouth and let Putin do what he was going to do regardless of what that candidate said.
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I think a lot of people have talked about threats to "democracy" when they really are talking about threats to the rule of law. So if your point is that some people use loose rhetoric, I'm with you there.
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I think some think that. I think a lot of others, however, think that "democracy" is their side having rights and the other side not having rights. The right and left both seek to curtail the powers and rights of the other under the bizarre reasoning that the other side's use of such rights is somehow an infringement on their rights. It's a childlike logic game. "Mind your own business" is anathema to both.
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I don't necessarily agree with you on that, and even if you're right, isn't the real harm that they have normalized the effort?
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Yes. That's the most dangerous element of Trumpism's disregard for norms. Somebody far smarter will actually invite real fascism (arguably, that's taking place already, as corporate and govt interests are aligning and seeking increasing control) and people will shrug. Or worse, never see its creep into our lives until its too late.
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Can you imagine the Republican Party nominating someone who says that Trump lost the election and that it was wrong to storm the Capital?
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I can because I know dozens and dozens of Rs who would love to do exactly that. But that imagining becomes a mere pipe dream given the reality of the primary process and the size of the cult that Trump has behind him.
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The whole party keeps metastasizing into more crazy. What was beyond the pale becomes the norm.
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The GOP is gone. I don't know what the party is today. I don't know if it's even really a party anymore. It looks like a playground for dead enders with a few sane voices trying to right a sinking ship.
