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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
That call has never struck me as damning evidence. It sounds bad, but in context (at that time, he was still litigating the vote and had a belief the votes were out there) it's a guy saying, granted, in mafioso-speak, "I know I won... Go find me the votes I know are out there."
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If you accept that he knew he'd lost, then you agree that he acted as a mafioso trying to change an election he'd lost. When he had that call, he was not still litigating the vote. He had lost that litigation. He was trying to get the result tossed.
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My issue with her sprawling indictment is it's too broad. That case will take forever, and as Powell and Chesebro and Meadows have shown already, by demanding a speedy trial or filing any of the myriad motions to dismiss for lack of jurisdiction (and soon, the argument that the allegations don't meet the definition of a crime) individual defendants can take the case apart from endless angles and give Trump a preview of Willis' strategy.
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I'm not clear why you think a broad case isn't the right response to a broad conspiracy, or why you think the fact that some defendants are trying to do stuff delegitimizes the prosecution.
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The case is also too ambitious. She's trying to lasso a lot of acts on the parts of lower level operators which are clearly not criminal into a RICO claim.
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That is a common conservative talking point lately, but it's nonsense. Not every fact mentioned is therefore criminal.
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But this isn't a hub and spokes scenario. This is an allegation that all of these people, many of whom never interacted or even met each other, were all engaged in a massive concerted effort to do something they all knew was illegal. That's hard to prove, and I could see trial and appellate courts slapping Willis' hand for being abusive in her scope.
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If she can't prove it, she can't prove it. But it was pretty obvious in real time that Trump had a lot of people criming to overturn his election loss. That is the heart of it.
