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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I used rights where I should have used interests, but I think it's because I was leapfrogging to effect. The interests are manifesting themselves as rights, or preclusion of the rights of others.
The interest, the impulse, to use your term, becomes the basis to assert a right to do something, or a right to stop someone else from doing something. The right wing and the progressives each power over-- well... everyone. Sometimes de jure, sometimes de facto. Where they can't acquire the former, they use the latter. Boycotts, book banning, cancellation, soft censorship of antagonistic views as mis/dis/mal-information.
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You transitioned very quickly to focusing on speech.
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The right and left are authoritarians, and that is not false equivalence.
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This is nonsense, in two different ways. First, you're not really talking about "authoritarianism." You're talking about the tolerance for different views in the marketplace of ideas.
Second, equating the right and the left is nonsense on stilts. You can observe that there are people across the political spectrum who do not want to tolerate certain ideas. But there is such a vast, vast, vast difference between (a) the conservative states that are outsourcing public-school curriculum to PragerU, closing and banning books from libraries, and forbidding students from learning about historical racism; (b) centrists like the Washington Post editorial page that fetishize balanced budgets and entitlement cuts and will not discuss alternatives; and (c) lefties who shout down conservative speakers at universities, etc. Grouping them all together (as "authoritarians," no less) is just sloppy and obtuse, like equating elephants and mice as grey mammals.
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They are engaged in a zero sum game and the impact of their authoritarian impulses is a preclusion of rights. Free speech? Sure, you have it. But not in Florida.
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What zero-sum game? WTF? When DeSantis punishes Disney for disagreeing with him, he gains, corporations lose, and the left isn't involved.
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And not if you want to keep your job at a corporation that has embraced the "correct politics" of the day.
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Corporations are not "the left," duh. There are many of them and they aren't exactly known for tolerating leftist speech. Many corporate employers are quite conservative in important ways, to state the blindingly obvious.
What you're really beefing about is that the mainstream has accepted views ("correct politics") that are not yours. But you don't want to argue about the substance of that, in part because you know you're in a minority, so you'd rather foster a grievance that you are somehow that victim of "authoritarians."
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The right is Orwell. The left is Huxley.
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Not even sure what you're getting at here, but you said "Orwell" so I'm sure Hank will be on it.
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They're both Trumpian. And they both want society to reflect what they think it ought to be. And they're pretty damn adamant about it.
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When you find yourself explaining that the left is Trumpian, you ought to stop, take a few deep breaths, pour yourself a Negroni, and try to figure out where you took the wrong turn.
