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		| Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) No, that's Ty.  I blame the stark erosion of civil liberties on Ashcroft and his ilk.
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 Burger, you're rational, so I'm glad you said this. I can't get anyone who says "rights erosion" to tell me what rights have eroded, beyond suspected terrorists who were grabbed and held incommunicado, or the guys at Gitmo. Put aside these guys, and not asking you to agree these actions are right, what other rights have eroded? I understand the slippery slope argument of grabbing guys who appear to have some tie, and how it could get to looser ties. Anything else? Honest question, please answer.