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		| Originally posted by Not Me But you left out the part where it is OK to kill a human who is in his or her third trimester of gestation.
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 You obviously haven't read my posts.
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		| Bilmore, your natural law-esque explanation would bar someone from killing in self-defense so refine it to allow killing in self-defense so that it will make sense.  However, when you do that, you are now making this distinction of innocent vs. guilty life.  Once you do, the death penalty doesn't go against the principle that it is innocent human life that is to be protected.  Abortion, though, violates that principle. | 
	
 No, I merely recognize that motive counts.  If I drive poorly and kill someone, I recognize that this is not the same as an intentional taking of life.  Similarly, killing in self defense means that my motive is not the killing, but the defense of my own life.  (Also applicable, I think, in the "just war" scenario.)
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		| As for your fry his ass comment, you left out that this universal truth has always included the qualification that the human life be an innocent human life.  Throughout the bulk of human history, societies have found that some acts are so heinous that the greater good was served by ending the life of those who commit these acts.  It has only been in recent times that the "innocent" qualification was removed and it was all human life, however malicious and evil, was to be protected. | 
	
 I don't beleive that there has ever been universal acceptance of this as a moral truth.  At best, at times, this viewpoint has won out over the other.  That's not the same, I think.
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		| You liberals have it all backwards on these issues. | 
	
 I'm going to print this, cut it out, and frame it, and also forward it to Ag daily.