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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Health care? all you have to is come visit a clinic or pharmacy or hospital in Metro Detroit, they are littered with Canadians trying to get basic health coverage that your panacea will not provide.
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Yep. And Americans bus into Canada to buy drugs they can't afford in America, and Canada provides at least basic levels of health care to everyone -- which is absolutely not true here inthe U.S. As you so fondly note, its all about choices.
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Was it Oregon that made a list of prioritized medical treatments, then would say "we'll cover 1-1876 this year." If you need a treatment numbered 1877 you're fucked.
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Yes, which is a perfectly rational and defensible policy approach for a government-sponsored health care system based on a basic social utility or cost-benefit analysis. Don't worry Hank -- those with the dough could still get treatment No. 1,877. Those without the dough probably aren't going to get it anyway.
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
We now provide very good health care for a very high percentage of people. I have no problem extending very basic coverage to all people, I just do not want my coverage lowered as occurs in all single payer systems.
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What do you mean "very good" and "very high"? I'd wager that the correct statements are more like:
"Some" for "very high", and
"decent" for "most", and
"very good" for "a minority of the population."
{Qualitative judgments based on modern U.S. standard of care}
If you have no problem extending basic heatlh coverage to all -- then your party leadership is not representing your interests.
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Had dinner with a Canadian potential client a few weeks ago, a guy about 30. He had his leg amputated last year to remove a cancerous tumor. This was a professional guy, with a decent income. He had waited months (up to a year at one stage) to be seen/evaluated then treated. in the states he'd have much more immediate treatment, and probably still have his leg.
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Damn tough break. Sounds like that system needs some work. So fucking what? OTOH -- given the cost of treatment and frequency of occurrence of certain cancers -- the system could be making rational choices about the allocation of societal resources.
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
your little perfect visions are sweet, but anyone who knows reality will avoid single payer health care like anthrax. The only way you can be for single payer health care, if you realize the truth, is to be for true socialism across the board. turn in your Beamer Sam, give the money to a poor family then bring your argument back- until you do this you've no credibility.
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Listen, you pathetic bitch --
(1) When did I ask for or support a single payer health care system? Stop reading your own policy phobias into my posts. OTOH -- whose to say that such a system couldn't make things better/cheaper for most?
(2) I said its a Benz.
(3) How dare you?
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