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Old 02-24-2004, 09:05 PM   #3175
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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Ain't no "equal" about it. The proposed amendment would not allow any courts, state or federal, or legislatures, state or federal, to permit same sex marriage or any civil unions that confer the same benefits as marriage.



Federal Marriage Amendment (H.J. Res. 56) (emphasis added.) As I read this, no state could enact an enforceable law that conferred all of the benefits of marriage on any gay couple. Maybe they wouldn't even be allowed to confer any of the benefits taken individually --- that will depend on which District Judge comes up on the wheel, I guess.

Bush would have had (sad to say) much more support if he had simply denied the word "marriage" to gays and lesbians. But he's also trying to kill civil unions, in a sneaky way. I think as people think more about this, they will see this as a REALLY SHITTY thing to do to perfectly nice people --- which is what brought down Jim Crow, eventually. This will backfire on him when people realize the ultraright is trying to kill civil unions, too, all while defending "marriage." Meanwhile, you can divorce with impunity.

I've stopped seeing Bush as stupid, or now I see his stupidity is irrelevant. My problem with him is not that he is stupid. My problem with him is that he is a dick. And fuck Zell Miller, too.
I agree that he has had an agenda that would cater to the religious right since he took office (I've always assumed that is becuase he is a member of the religious right). That is what I said to my moderate friends who voted for him last time. My concern had to do with his stance of abortion and his likelihood of stacking the Supreme Court, but this is not an unforeseeable act by this guy.

That said (or, as a mod, now that I've had my say), this discussion will need to move to the politics board at some point BEFORE the point in time that we would be discussing how gay marriage does or does not differ from polygamy. I say this as a mod and as a person who has bothered to glance at the politics board once of twice during the last couple of months.

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