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Originally posted by bilmore
I do. I expect proof (or close to it) before assuming the worst, and, in my mind, lying is the worst.
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Ok, that's a good position to take.
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(In the realm of our discussion, at least - yes, mismatching colors in ties and shirts is actually THE worst, but we're not speaking of that level of malfeasance, are we?)
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I rather like my ties.
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Originally posted by bilmore
I still believe that the average person is rather honorable, and doesn't do the things that Drum, Ty, et al so easily accuse others of.
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Most of the people I prosecuted were terribly average. But, true enough, I'll agree that most Presidents/politicians probably don't flat out lie much.
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Originally posted by bilmore
That's why I was so taken aback when I read your earlier comments to say "well, so what if he didn't lie, he might have politicized something bad." It's a vast gulf in my mind (a mind already full of vast gulfs - there, I'm saving someone a post) between the two, and your post treated it as a difference in labelling.
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My post was intended to say: "Whether or not Aznar lied . . . " (i.e. did one bad thing) . . . it appears that he certainly did another bad thing (i.e. vigorously and recklessly exploit the deaths of 200 people to try to win an election) -- that in my view was bad enough to justify reasonable folks deciding not to vote for him on that point alone." I guess I see a smaller distance between the two than do you.
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Originally posted by bilmore
For my part, I will vote for, and campaign for, people whom I perceive to share my own moral basis. (Singular, purposeful.) The daily press run of who gaffed, and who had the most hurtful line, means little to me. At this point, I have no idea what Kerry's moral basis might be, and I doubt Kerry does either. I know Bush's - and some parts I find horrible, and others I find familiar and comforting. I'll let you know when I find my perfect mirror.
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(a) Good, I suppose we need such participation.
(b) That daily press run is a huge part of our politics today, and is vastly influential. Every person you will work for has legions of people devoted to playing and winning that destructive, corrosive game -- and we mock them if they're not good at it.
(c) I'm not sure why you think that Kerry doesn't know his "moral basis". He has done many admirable things in his life, and its a bit much to say that he did them all calculatingly, for personal gain.
S_A_M
