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Originally posted by sgtclub
Any consensus?
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Around here, are you kidding?
It was just oral argument. But the tension I'll note in the "constitutional" camp is that the argument seems to be that it's merely a general statement of history, and therefore really not "religious," (and, indeed, interviews with kids suggest they regard it as "just a couple of meaningless words") yet, even as such, it's incredibly important to retain it as part of the pledge.
Apparently Jefferson's concern that state involvement in religion would water faith down has fallen on deaf ears.