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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
You haven't been looking very hard, then. Did you not see the photo of the guard cocking his fist to punch a bound and hooded prisoner in the head? That is one of numerous examples of photos that plainly go beyond "humiliation."
In addition, there are numerous reports, statements of witnesses (yes, I know -- there are credibility issues there but the statements are corroborated by the physical and photographic evidence), etc. -- including reports by the Red Cross and the Taguba report -- that refer to physical assaults against prisoners. These constitute torture (as does the "humiliation" under agreements the US has signed). There are also several deaths in custody currently under investigation.
You appear to be saying that unless you have seen photos of physical torture, then you don't believe that there is any torture.
Certainly Repubs have taken this view -- which is very convenient, not to mention dishonest and repugnant, when the same Repubs have argued that other photos and videos that show much worse torture of prisoners should not be released because that would "endanger the troops." Suppress the evidence, then claim the evidence doesn't exist.
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I haven't seen the pics you have mentioned. I've read parts of the reports. I'm not concerned with the legal definitions, nor am I that concerned with tactics. What I am concerned with is the process. If those that the US believed in good faith had evidence that would likely save American lives were beaten, I'm not all that bothered. If this was more of a "let's go beat a few A-Rabs" then it is absolutely unexcusable.
Incidentally, the reports I've read regarding the deaths suggest an element of self-defence was involved.
