Politics: J'accuse!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
Polyandry sounds alot like college.

If you'd just work on your delivery, you could win friends and influence people over on the FB.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
When a bunch of people tell you to shut the fuck up because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, that's not political correctness. That's free speech. Just because it's a majority of people telling you to shut the fuck up doesn't make it oppression.

Dude, you are the one mixing things up. PC isn't a freedom of speech issue unless it is the government telling you what you can and cannot say (like the FCC does to Howard Stern).

Why are you bringing freedom of speech into this? WHo is talking about the governement chilling speech?

I am not. I am talking about private individuals chilling speech of other private individuals. Which has nothing to do with the 1st amendment since the government isn't in the equation.

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
The only political correctness that ever presented a threat was college speech codes, which academic leftists embraced briefly in the early '90s before it became entirely obvious that it was a stuuuuuuuupid idea and left college graduates unprepared for interacting in the work place with GPs and CEOs. Little did they know jocks and rednecks would perform such a useful function in the academy.

It just depends on what you mean by threat. If you mean it is unconstitutional, well that is only true if it is a state university. Private universities can do that shit and get away with it since they aren't the government.

Why are you talking about freedom of speech?

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Thus, I will defend to the death your right to be told to shut the fuck up.

No need to do that. This isn't a first amendment issue.

[sgtclub]

This bodes well for our monthly unemployment numbers discussion.

http://www.reuters.com/printerFriend...toryID=4897458

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
If you'd just work on your delivery, you could win friends and influence people over on the FB.

You don't understand me. I love that they hate me. If they liked me, I would never post over there. They are tools.

I :love: the PB.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
I am talking about private individuals chilling speech of other private individuals.

I am amazed that you could think this is a problem.

Also originally posted by Not Me
You don't understand me.

Oh please. For one, you are the most literal person ever. That part of the persona stays consistent, right? For two, did I not just float you a softball?

[Not Me]

Originally posted by sgtclub
This bodes well for our monthly unemployment numbers discussion.

http://www.reuters.com/printerFriend...toryID=4897458

Thank goodness. Now all of those who dropped out of the labor force can eat again. As you can tell by walking around any US city in a depressed economy, some of them were getting pretty thin.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
I am amazed that you could think this is a problem.

It is not a government problem, it is a societal problem. The consequence of which is that we don't get to speak frankly about many important issues.

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Oh please. For one, you are the most literal person ever. That part of the persona stays consistent, right? For two, did I not just float you a softball?

I cannot do anything right in your eyes, can I? I don't know why I ever married you in the first place. I should have listened to my mother when she told me you weren't good enough for me!!!

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Not Me
It is not a government problem, it is a societal problem. The consequence of which is that we don't get to speak frankly about many important issues.

I agree whole-heartedly with this.

[Not Me]

http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/

[Tyrone Slothrop]

The challengers running for the board of the Sierra Club to change its focus to fighting immigration all lost by a big margin. Voting was way, way up relative to past elections.

[Not Me]

"I made a decision that I wanted to follow what Islam really said"

"The mosques say one thing to the public, and something else to us. Let's just say that the face you see and the face we see are two different faces," says Abdul Haq. "Believe me," adds Musa, "behind closed doors, there are no moderate Muslims."

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/l...9634?version=1

• 
  
  Four young British Muslims in their twenties - a social worker, an IT specialist, a security guard and a financial adviser - occupy a table at a fast-food chicken restaurant in Luton. Perched on their plastic chairs, wolfing down their dinner, they seem just ordinary young men. Yet out of their mouths pour heated words of revolution.
  
  "As far as I'm concerned, when they bomb London, the bigger the better," says Abdul Haq, the social worker. "I know it's going to happen because Sheikh bin Laden said so. Like Bali, like Turkey, like Madrid - I pray for it, I look forward to the day."
  
  "Pass the brown sauce, brother," says Abu Malaahim, the IT specialist, devouring his chicken and chips.
  
  "I agree with you, brother," says Abu Yusuf, the earnest-looking financial adviser sitting opposite. "I would like to see the Mujahideen coming into London and killing thousands, whether with nuclear weapons or germ warfare. And if they need a safehouse, they can stay in mine - and if they need some fertiliser [for a bomb], I'll tell them where to get it."
  
  His friend, Abu Musa, the security guard, smiles radiantly. "It will be a day of joy for me," he adds, speaking with a slight lisp. . . .

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
You miss my point like Tarzan misses the jungle. When a bunch of people tell you to shut the fuck up because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, that's not political correctness. That's free speech. Just because it's a majority of people telling you to shut the fuck up doesn't make it oppression.

I should probably STP, but, WTH . . .

I think you oversimplify, plus you apply freedom of speech standards to a discussion of something much less chilling. NM spoke of PC - the attitude that allows for the ridicule of that which is popularly allowed to be ridiculed, while select choices are popularly considered to be off-limits from that ridicule, for reasons unrelated to the merits of the ridicule. As I intimated earlier, I can make fun of christianity with impunity, but, were I to ridicule Islam with the same level of insult, I would be excoriated. That's PC. Whether that excoriation chills my speech is a different subject entirely. What we deal with in PC is the double standard.

Note that I do not consider exclamations to NM that her entirely race-centric oversimplifications ("blacks have to date blacks, and if they don't, they exhibit psychopathology") are, indeed, race-centric oversimplifications, to be an example of PC at work.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
The challengers running for the board of the Sierra Club to change its focus to fighting immigration by a big margin. Voting was way, way up relative to past elections.

Of course it was. All those damn illegal aliens were voting.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by bilmore
I should probably STP, but, WTH . . .

I think you oversimplify, plus you apply freedom of speech standards to a discussion of something much less chilling. NM spoke of PC - the attitude that allows for the ridicule of that which is popularly allowed to be ridiculed, while select choices are popularly considered to be off-limits from that ridicule, for reasons unrelated to the merits of the ridicule. As I intimated earlier, I can make fun of christianity with impunity, but, were I to ridicule Islam with the same level of insult, I would be excoriated. That's PC. Whether that excoriation chills my speech is a different subject entirely. What we deal with in PC is the double standard.

Note that I do not consider exclamations to NM that her entirely race-centric oversimplifications ("blacks have to date blacks, and if they don't, they exhibit psychopathology") are, indeed, race-centric oversimplifications, to be an example of PC at work.

I think Bilmore hits this one on the head (though it's important to read both substantive paragraphs).

I remember the days when those of us on the leftish side of things used "PC" as an insult to fashionable lefties -- people who used "summer" as a verb but said "Nicaragua" like they were gargling fizzy water. I was amazed at how the term came to be seen as complimentary.

Perhaps even more annoying that the issue that Bilmore points to is the obsession with using the "right" terms for everything -- like when Berkeley students walked out of class because a student used the term "Black" instead of "African-American." This gets even worse when coupled with the apparent inability to understand that any word associated with an undesirable condition is eventually going to be a pejorative term, regardless of how polite it is -- hence the evolution from "bum" to "street people" to "homeless" to the proposed "under-housed" (no, I'm not kidding, it was in the "PC Dictionary" years back).

That said, the knee-jerk call of "you're just being PC!" that we see like people from Rush Limbaugh and Not Me is at least equally moronic. Some people really are racist, some people really are intolerant, and some people's views I have no great interest in hearing.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Not Me
You don't understand me. I love that they hate me. If they liked me, I would never post over there. They are tools.

I :love: the PB.

You're right. I want you.