Politics: J'accuse!

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Can you imagine how much covering for Ty's ass sidd must have to do?

That's not very PC of y . . .

Oh, I thought you typed "coveting" . . .

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Fringe, you know my posts are the fucking Magna Carta of thoughtful insights.

The fact that I'm victorian in some respect- calling off the engagement because of the broken hymen, horse riding- ok sure- but broken is broken, doesn't mean I don't sensitive insights for today's times on other issues.

That is totally non-responsive. Don't be such a wuss. Either you agree with the people who will dislike you for saying what you think, which means you really think there is something wrong with what you think, or you think they are misguided (i.e., WRONG) to dislike you for it, in which case who cares about their opinion?

Just spit out your thoughtful sensitive post.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
My point is that my experience is the logical result of the PC movement, and that the fact that my classmates resorted to these tactics is sad and not a desirable result for society.

And my point is that I'm having a hard time distinguishing, on your account, between your disagreement with their tactics and your disagreement with their underlying views. What were the tactics? They appear to have said what they thought.

Originally posted by sgtclub
I thought you were proposing a subjective standard for racism.

I am trying to say that different people have different things in mind when they use the same word. BRC has said it better a couple of times on the FB this morning.

Since you used the word "subjective," I suspect that, to you, the word is freighted with some thoughts about the subject intent on the part of someone who is a racist, and that your classmates might not see it that way.

[Shape Shifter]

Is anyone going to talk about how operations in Iraq are costing $4.7 billion/month?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by bilmore
See, AG, she gets it.

You do that kind of shit all the time, and it's not always a joke. Your close relative (if not alter ego) Not Me does it all the time, and it's never a joke. I think both of you are assholes.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Is anyone going to talk about how operations in Iraq are costing $4.7 billion/month?

No. Why do you ask?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
Depends on what power someone has to enforce a penalty. In the classroom, a professor might give someone a worse grade because he or she thinks that it is racist to think a business owner has a right to enforce English only in the workplace.

Didn't happen to club.

I have seen professors retaliate against students with grades for espousing non-racist but un-PC ideas in class.

How so? I haven't seen this, although I imagine it would be hard to tell.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
You do that kind of shit all the time, and it's not always a joke. Your close relative (if not alter ego) Not Me does it all the time, and it's never a joke. I think both of you are assholes.

I feel so . . . enlightened.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

We learn about old, scared white-man thought in every day life.

Traditional thought SHOULD be somewhat chilled in college. Most people were raised with traditional thought and need exposure to the other side. It's not the other way around. Most people weren't raised in Berkely.

I can't believe I agree with this statement, but I do.

I grew up with people who never pushed the envelope. They studied hard, went to church, made something of themselves and moved into nice big houses. I see them from time to time and they talk to me about golf, having kids and balding. I find these people sad, even though they're a lot happier than I am, or probably ever will be.

Life works kind of like Kesey said. You're either on the bus or off the bus. I think the "bus" is experimenting, challenging, exploring the world around you and developing your own value system and world view. I can't converse with the cats who just followed the leader. I'm waay to fucked up at this point to ever be able to put on those blinders, and I wouldn't want to if I could. I just smile, sip my drink and try to avoid saying what I think - instead I just fire off silly one liners and pretend to be interested in whatever they're discussing.

I'd rather off myself from depression than have lived an unexamined life following pre-ordained values. I'm glad I had some radical teachers in high school and college to help spark me to think "Hey, this shit they've feeding me at home and in the community sounds pretty hollow."

I really wish I hadn't had whatever it was that suprred me to question everything. These people who lead simpler existences seem to be so fucking happy. We have a few in the office. They've lead dull, utterly blissful existences. Maybe Nirvana is never knowing how much you don't know. Must make the time you waste at work seem well spent.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by bilmore
I feel so . . . enlightened.

Bonus for you, then -- it wasn't intended to provide enlightenment. Maybe you should send me a check for the extra service.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
And my point is that I'm having a hard time distinguishing, on your account, between your disagreement with their tactics and your disagreement with their underlying views. What were the tactics? They appear to have said what they thought.

The tactics were to (1) brand me a racist as a way of discounting my substantive points, as if that was the end of the discussion, and (2) not engage on the substantive issue. If that is what they thought, then the rats inside their brains need an LT Coke-Steroid cocktail.

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Since you used the word "subjective," I suspect that, to you, the word is freighted with some thoughts about the subject intent on the part of someone who is a racist, and that your classmates might not see it that way.

I do not believe that whether something is racist or someone is a racist is a subjective determination. It should be objective and easy to discern. But that would require adhering to logic rather than feeling, which many are not capable of.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I can't believe I agree with this statement, but I do.

I grew up with people who never pushed the envelope. They studied hard, went to church, made something of themselves and moved into nice big houses. I see them from time to time and they talk to me about golf, having kids and balding. I find these people sad, even though they're a lot happier than I am, or probably ever will be.

Life works kind of like Kesey said. You're either on the bus or off the bus. I think the "bus" is experimenting, challenging, exploring the world around you and developing your own value system and world view. I can't converse with the cats who just followed the leader. I'm waay to fucked up at this point to ever be able to put on those blinders, and I wouldn't want to if I could. I just smile, sip my drink and try to avoid saying what I think - instead I just fire off silly one liners and pretend to be interested in whatever they're discussing.

I'd rather off myself from depression than have lived an unexamined life following pre-ordained values. I'm glad I had some radical teachers in high school and college to help spark me to think "Hey, this shit they've feeding me at home and in the community sounds pretty hollow."

I really wish I hadn't had whatever it was that suprred me to question everything. These people who lead simpler existences seem to be so fucking happy. We have a few in the office. They've lead dull, utterly blissful existences. Maybe Nirvana is never knowing how much you don't know. Must make the time you waste at work seem well spent.

If original, this is the POTY.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by sgtclub
If original, this is the POTY.

But he ignores the idea that an unexamined life for a liberal is to surround yourself with liberal thought. Which sort of describes MY college experience.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I can't believe I agree with this statement, but I do.

I grew up with people who never pushed the envelope. They studied hard, went to church, made something of themselves and moved into nice big houses. I see them from time to time and they talk to me about golf, having kids and balding. I find these people sad, even though they're a lot happier than I am, or probably ever will be.

Life works kind of like Kesey said. You're either on the bus or off the bus. I think the "bus" is experimenting, challenging, exploring the world around you and developing your own value system and world view. I can't converse with the cats who just followed the leader. I'm waay to fucked up at this point to ever be able to put on those blinders, and I wouldn't want to if I could. I just smile, sip my drink and try to avoid saying what I think - instead I just fire off silly one liners and pretend to be interested in whatever they're discussing.

I'd rather off myself from depression than have lived an unexamined life following pre-ordained values. I'm glad I had some radical teachers in high school and college to help spark me to think "Hey, this shit they've feeding me at home and in the community sounds pretty hollow."

I really wish I hadn't had whatever it was that suprred me to question everything. These people who lead simpler existences seem to be so fucking happy. We have a few in the office. They've lead dull, utterly blissful existences. Maybe Nirvana is never knowing how much you don't know. Must make the time you waste at work seem well spent.

Summary: Ignorance is bliss. Fuck bliss.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by bilmore
But he ignores the idea that an unexamined life for a liberal is to surround yourself with liberal thought. Which sort of describes MY college experience.

Mine was the opposite. I sense a trend.