Politics: J'accuse!

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
. . . and enormous penis.

If a conservative had said this, the board would have exploded, giving us the best exemplar of PC v. chilling.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by bilmore
If a conservative had said this, the board would have exploded

Are we all that much of a cartoon to you?

If so, I wanna be this guy:

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore
My thought was, if a person suffered from some ailment that is exclusive to their race, wouldn't there be a vaild basis to go only to a doctor of that race?

Most doctors who treat sickle cell anemia are white simply because most doctors are white. Many if not most are quite competent. Whether a doctor is more or less competent in treating a disease has nothing to do with their race. It has to do with their natural born talents, their training and their experience with that disease, which is at least somewhat determined by the patient population they choose to serve.

A black doctor working in Idaho doesn't get much experience treating sickle cell anemia patients. A white doctor at a teaching hospital in the inner city does.

Most all of the advances made in understanding and treating sickle cell anemia were made by white men. Do you know who first identified the defect in hemoglobin that causes SCA? A white guy. You may have heard of him, his name is Linus Pauling.



Here is his first paper on the topic.


Most of the top specialists in treating sickle cell anemia are white, typically practicing at teaching hospitals based in the inner city like Columbia and University of Chicago and Johns Hopkins. This is because most doctors in the US are white.

Yet white people don't get SCA. Go figure. How about that. White people were actually interested in researching and treating diseases that don't occur in whites.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Are we all that much of a cartoon to you?

If so, I wanna be this guy:

'Kay.

I'll be the guy without the leg.

Now we're all fitting cartoons.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Not Me

Had I said, can you think of a reason why I should not rule out doctors of other races?, then your answer would be responsive.

But, when I query if it might be valid to ask for a doctor who might have suffered from the same irritating skin ailment in his youth as I now suffer, and from whom I might get, not only competent, but empathetic, treatment, I think you miss my point in favor of your own.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by bilmore
Had I said, can you think of a reason why I should not rule out doctors of other races?, then your answer would be responsive.

But, when I query if it might be valid to ask for a doctor who might have suffered from the same irritating skin ailment in his youth as I now suffer, and from whom I might get, not only competent, but empathetic, treatment, I think you miss my point in favor of your own.

Dude, I agree if a doctor is suffering from the same disease, you are right in that you will be more likely to get empathy. That wasn't in the question you posed. You talked about picking doctors based on race not based on whether they have the same disease you have.

Oh and I think that is a reason that some women prefer female GYNs - they have had a speculum stuck up their cooter before, hence more empathy.

What is your skin problem or is this outable?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by bilmore
'Kay.

I'll be the guy without the leg.

Now we're all fitting cartoons.

No. You are Mallard Fillmore. I thought we had discussed this?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Not Me
Yet white people don't get SCA.

Connect the dots.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Connect the dots.

You are obsessed with me. Yet you claim to think I am a male. Either you really believe that and are unnaturally obsessed with a man, or you don't believe it.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Are we all that much of a cartoon to you?

If so, I wanna be this guy:

Well, you've got your work cut out for you- because here's how we see you now.




Of course the artist's rendition of the double secret meeting Club, bilmore, not me and I had is not much more flattering.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Well, if a woman checked my postrate i'd be afraid i'd spew immediately (fringe normally i've got control). so i get the discriminate in Dr. thing, but I went to a Thai restuarant in Santa Cruz and the pisser was through the kitchen. the chef was a fucking American hippy, think Ty, say junior year. So, I want to be able to discriminate on my restaurants. ain't no hippies cooking me thai food, and i want an islam guy making me shwarma- fuck all if its not okay.

I've been to several female doctors. Didn't give a shit. If it'll get me out of the waiting room faster, I don't care if they have a screaming queen or a trained babboon examine me. I just hate being in doctor's offices.

I actually prefer female doctors because I think they tend to be more friendly and have better bedside manners because they're trying to overcome any hint of uncomfortable sexual undertones. I also think women are more detail oriented, which is reassuring.

FWIW, my in laws who are doctors have confirmed that yes, interns and young doctors in teaching hosiptals did in the times past tell one another about "hot" patients, and docs used to have "consultations" with other doctors as an excuse to let their buddies check out "the really hot chick in Room 44." But I doubt this sort of thing ever went on in an OB/GYN, where people had to be more vigilant. And from what I hear, it doesn't go on today due to the obvious risk of huge litigation.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
It's kinda a facts and circumstances thing.

Sure, but it wasn't for you when you play the odds that a male doctor is more likely to molest you.

What if I just change the hypo back to doctors, and I don't want a black doctor because he (or she) is more likely to have been a product of affirmative action and therefore less likely to be as actually qualified as white doctors with the same credentials (med school/residency)? Pure odds game--it's okay with sex, but not with race? Or is it?

what if it's a lawyer you're dealing with, so you don't have to worry about twat fiddling?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Sure, but it wasn't for you when you play the odds that a male doctor is more likely to molest you.

What if I just change the hypo back to doctors, and I don't want a black doctor because he (or she) is more likely to have been a product of affirmative action and therefore less likely to be as actually qualified as white doctors with the same credentials (med school/residency)? Pure odds game--it's okay with sex, but not with race? Or is it?

what if it's a lawyer you're dealing with, so you don't have to worry about twat fiddling?

Aside from trying to avoid doctors with mail-order degrees, I tend to go with recommendations from other people and then whether or not I feel comfortable with the person. Particularly now that I'm old enough to have a medical history, going through that with a new doctor gives me a pretty good feel for whether they are on the ball or not and whether they pay attention.

Re: lawyers, I'd go with someone at my own firm or with a recommendation from a trusted colleague.

Really, a lot of people in med/law who went to tip-top schools frequently seem to consider themselves above the mundane practice of law and medicine, and want to deal only with the very cutting edge/obscure stuff. The chances of me being cutting edge or obscure are slim to none (I don't travel to exotic locales, there's no history of anything weird in my family, I don't run a business). So I'd rather have someone who isn't above it all.



Way to go with the oversimplification and generalization re: the black man on your side of the street who MUST BE scary and the white guy on the other side who is almost 100% for sure safe, and the only get lawyers and doctors from top-flight schools because that's the only thing that matters.

I really honestly find it hard to believe you are extrapolating to this extent from a preference I have as to who is sticking their hands up inside my genitals while I am fully conscious. It really is making me think you are kind of a divorced-from-reality, pure-theory guy.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ltl/fb

Way to go with the oversimplification and generalization re: the black man on your side of the street who MUST BE scary and the white guy on the other side who is almost 100% for sure safe, and the only get lawyers and doctors from top-flight schools because that's the only thing that matters.

I really honestly find it hard to believe you are extrapolating to this extent from a preference I have as to who is sticking their hands up inside my genitals while I am fully conscious. It really is making me think you are kind of a divorced-from-reality, pure-theory guy.

1) You were the one who played it the other way. My original hypo was limited to solely the a black man and a white man with no other distinguishing characteristics, which matched up precisely with your statement that you preferred a female doctor because a male doctor was more likely to sexually assault you. You had no other information than gender; I had no information other than race. What's your problem with answering the question (or seeing at all), that it challenges you to think? I thought you liked to do that.

2) I'm not extrapolating--I'm trying to get a well articulated answer as to why your genitals make things different, and in that case pure gender-based discrimination is okay, but not in other contexts. Is it just "obvious"? You get the A with that answer, you know.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
1) You were the one who played it the other way. My original hypo was limited to solely the a black man and a white man with no other distinguishing characteristics, which matched up precisely with your statement that you preferred a female doctor because a male doctor was more likely to sexually assault you. You had no other information than gender; I had no information other than race. What's your problem with answering the question (or seeing at all), that it challenges you to think? I thought you liked to do that.

2) I'm not extrapolating--I'm trying to get a well articulated answer as to why your genitals make things different, and in that case pure gender-based discrimination is okay, but not in other contexts. Is it just "obvious"? You get the A with that answer, you know.

You would always, in real life, have more information. If both men look like criminals, I would either go into a building or stay where I was to avoid attracting the attention of either of them or pissing either of them off. If both of them look like normal people, I'd stay where I was. If one of them looked like a freak criminal molester, and the other didn't, I'd go for the side of the street without the freak criminal molester.

If I had a choice between a drunk, filthy female ob/gyn with a mail-order degree and a sober, clean male ob/gyn with a degree from UT I'd go with the man.

The street thing, honest to god, I tend to stay on whatever side I'm on unless the person seems scary, and that goes equally for whites as well as blacks. I'm narcissistic -- don't really notice people walking around unless they are really distinctive.

I hope your girlfriends are aware of your utter lack of discrimination as to who's handling your genitalia.