Politics: J'accuse! - Page 268

Sexual Harassment Panda · 05-11-2004, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
This is certainly a fair critique. I note that you did not attack my motives, but rather, just the substance of the post.

Fringey let me be the good cop this time.

ltl/fb · 05-11-2004, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Fringey let me be the good cop this time.

Yes, and later, make sure you remember I've been a very, very bad cop.

Club, it was just a stupid dumbass move on your part to post only that picture. You seem to be implying that there was much more going on in your head, but you post was no different than a troll-y post titled "What we are accomplishing in Iraq" over a picture of someone tortured. You would go off on someone for doing that.

sgtclub · 05-11-2004, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Yes, and later, make sure you remember I've been a very, very bad cop.

Club, it was just a stupid dumbass move on your part to post only that picture. You seem to be implying that there was much more going on in your head, but you post was no different than a troll-y post titled "What we are accomplishing in Iraq" over a picture of someone tortured. You would go off on someone for doing that.

Be honest, did you read the title?

Not Me · 05-11-2004, 02:37 PM

That body they found yesterday is the decapitated body of a 26 year old US contractor who was kidnapped in Iraq.

There is a video tape of his decapitation being played on an Islamic website.

His last name sounded jewish.

The murderers were Al Queda.

Now lets see those of you who are so fucking outraged over panties on someone's head get outraged over this. Can we get some proportional outrage?

ltl/fb · 05-11-2004, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Be honest, did you read the title?

I was just going to go back and edit and say that the holier than thou title made it worse.

So, yes, I did read the title. As evidence by my changing the title.

ltl/fb · 05-11-2004, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by Not Me
That body they found yesterday is the decapitated body of a 26 year old US contractor who was kidnapped in Iraq.

There is a video tape of his decapitation being played on an Islamic website.

His last name sounded jewish.

The murderers were Al Queda.

Now lets see those of you who are so fucking outraged over panties on someone's head get outraged over this. Can we get some proportional outrage?

See, club, even this is more sophisticated than your post.

Not Me · 05-11-2004, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
No, just trying to give some perspective here. Things are obviously not going anywhere near as well as the administration expected, and we are in serious jeapardy of completely fucking this up, but it is not all bad. There ARE parts of the country that are going fairly well. Granted, not the heart of the country, but there are parts.

Club, don't bother trying to give these Blame-America-First types perspective. No matter how much good the US does, they will always seize upon anything they can to denegrate the good that we do.

Not Me · 05-11-2004, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
See, club, even this is more sophisticated than your post.

See, Club. No outrage.

He was a 26 year old. They had him read out his name and the name of his family members and then they pushed him to the ground and cut of his head with a knife while he was conscious.

No outrage from you, Fringey? All your outrage used up by the panties?

You make me sick.

Gattigap · 05-11-2004, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Not Me
See, Club. No outrage.

He was a 26 year old. They had him read out his name and the name of his family members and then they pushed him to the ground and cut of his head with a knife while he was conscious.

No outrage from you, Fringey? All your outrage used up by the panties?

You make me sick.

I'm outraged. Depressed, too. This is not a pretty day in Iraq.

And, FWIW, I think you need to calm the fuck down. Your righteousness is sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

Shape Shifter · 05-11-2004, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Not Me
See, Club. No outrage.

He was a 26 year old. They had him read out his name and the name of his family members and then they pushed him to the ground and cut of his head with a knife while he was conscious.

No outrage from you, Fringey? All your outrage used up by the panties?

You make me sick.

Yes, we are outraged. Those that are responsible are truly abhorrent and I hope they die a long and painful death and then suffer eternal torment and damnation.

This does not make our treatment of Iraqi prisoners any less outrageous.

ltl/fb · 05-11-2004, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by Not Me
See, Club. No outrage.

He was a 26 year old. They had him read out his name and the name of his family members and then they pushed him to the ground and cut of his head with a knife while he was conscious.

No outrage from you, Fringey? All your outrage used up by the panties?

You make me sick.

What kind of sick? tuberculosis? Watch out, some strains are antibiotic-resistant.

I think that is disgusting and awful.

I like panties, esp. when they match my bra. Currently I am kind of enamoured of boyshorts. This may make me a fashion victim.

I don't recall ever expressing outrage at panties. Cite?

sgtclub · 05-11-2004, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Yes, we are outraged. Those that are responsible are truly abhorrent and I hope they die a long and painful death and then suffer eternal torment and damnation.

This does not make our treatment of Iraqi prisoners any less outrageous.

Are you suggesting that all of the prisoners were innocent? I assume that at least some of them may have committed similarly heinous acts. If so, is our treatment of them OK?

Not Me · 05-11-2004, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
I'm outraged. Depressed, too. This is not a pretty day in Iraq.

Good. Inbetween your self-flagellation and condemnation for the "atrocities" as you call them that went on in that prison, please express some of your outrage.

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Originally posted by Gattigap
And, FWIW, I think you need to calm the fuck down. Your righteousness is sucking all the oxygen out of the room.

Fuck you, asshole. You fuckers who are so fucking outraged over the prison incidents need to get some fucking perspective.

Please spare a few minutes from your consant condemnation of everything the US does to express some outrage over this.

Shape Shifter · 05-11-2004, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Are you suggesting that all of the prisoners were innocent? I assume that at least some of them may have committed similarly heinous acts. If so, is our treatment of them OK?

My desire for retribution should not be confused with a desire that the long slow painful death should occur while in the custody of representatives of the United States. As for the eternal torment, etc., I really think it's more effective when done by a higher authority. We outsourced in the wrong direction.

Not Me · 05-11-2004, 03:07 PM

DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda's leader in Iraq beheaded an American civilian and vowed more killings in revenge for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners, an Islamist Web site said Tuesday.

A poor quality videotape on the site showed a man dressed in orange overalls sitting bound on a white plastic chair in a bare room, then on the floor with five masked men behind him.

"My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael... I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah," said the bound man, adding he was from Philadelphia.

After one of the masked men read out a statement, they pushed Berg to the floor and shouted "God is greatest" above his screams as one of them sawed his head off with a large knife then held it aloft for the camera.

The Web site said Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a top ally of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, was the man who cut off Berg's head. The statement read out before the killing was signed off with Zarqawi's name and dated May 11.

Jordanian-born Zarqawi, 37, has raised his profile and status as al Qaeda's most active operational leader with a series of suicide bombs and attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq.

A State Department official said Tuesday the body of a U.S. citizen identified as Berg had been found in Baghdad. The official said Berg had no ties to the U.S. military or the Defense Department, but offered no further details.

"He was a private American citizen not associated with a military contract," said the State Department official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

It was not immediately possible to verify the authenticity of the tape carried on the Muntada al-Ansar Islamist Web site.

The ritual killing resembled the murder of U.S. reporter Daniel Pearl, beheaded by Islamist militants in Pakistan.

Berg's orange overalls were reminiscent of those worn by al Qaeda detainees held by U.S. troops at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

Photographs shown around the world of naked Iraqi prisoners stacked in a pyramid or positioned to simulate sex acts at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad have provoked international anger and become a serious setback to U.S. efforts to stabilize Iraq.

President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair have both apologized and pledged to punish those responsible but both governments have come under pressure for senior ministers to be held responsible for the abuse.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=5108202