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Old 04-03-2004, 05:00 PM   #511
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http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004906

From a former Clinton advisor.
If you think that Laurie Mylroie is best described as "a former Clinton advisor" you are either sadly uninformed or trying to mislead people. But I'm not going to say that you're lying.

eta: This is from the liner notes of Mylroie's most recent book: "Combining important new research with an insider's grasp of Beltway politics, Mylroie describes how the CIA and the State Department have systematically discredited critical intelligence about Saddam's regime, including indisputable evidence of its possession of weapons of mass destruction."

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  • In what amounts to the discovery of a unified field theory of terrorism, Mylroie believes that Saddam was not only behind the '93 Trade Center attack, but also every anti-American terrorist incident of the past decade, from the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania to the leveling of the federal building in Oklahoma City to September 11 itself. She is, in short, a crackpot, which would not be significant if she were merely advising say, Lyndon LaRouche. But her neocon friends who went on to run the war in Iraq believed her theories, bringing her on as a consultant at the Pentagon, and they seem to continue to entertain her eccentric belief that Saddam is the fount of the entire shadow war against America.

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Old 04-03-2004, 05:52 PM   #512
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If you think that Laurie Mylroie is best described as "a former Clinton advisor" you are either sadly uninformed or trying to mislead people. But I'm not going to say that you're lying.
I'm just reading the notes at the end of her column.

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Ms. Mylroie, an advisor on Iraq to the 1992 Clinton campaign, is author of "The War Against America" (HarperCollins, 2001).
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Old 04-03-2004, 08:01 PM   #513
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I'm just reading the notes at the end of her column.
It's a little like running a column by Donald Rumsfeld on Iraq and noting at the end that he was the Secretary of Defense in the Ford Administration. It's true, but. Let's just say that the editors of that site now full well who she is, and that no one would have run her column if she was simply an advisor on Iraq to the 1992 Clinton campaign. On the other hand, with the current eagerness to trash Clarke, maybe they would have.

I'm almost done with the Clarke book, and it holds up pretty well. Some of the most hyperbolic reaction has been to things that the media didn't report quite right. For example, he was quoted as describing Bush on the day after 9/11 (9/12, they called it) pressing Clarke and some others for links with Iraq. What the media did not report is that Clarke recalls defending Bush to the others with him after Bush left the room: "Look, he's the President. He has not spent years on terrorism. He has every right to ask us to look again, and we will, Paul." I haven't seen this reported anywhere, and it changes the gist.
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Old 04-03-2004, 08:38 PM   #514
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I must say this is truly stupid. But conservative it is not. [in response to Atticus's post of a link to the article about they guy sponsoring a bill that would let Congress override the SC]
It's not conservative, it's just GOP. And you all should be proud. Please note, this is merely a cheap shot that I could not bring myself to pass up.

Personally, I am hoping this passes, and Congress votes to overrule an SC decision (query -- if the SC had refused cert to e.g. the pledge case, would Congress be able to overrule the 9th circuit? or do they have to wait until the SC takes and decides a case?). Then the SC declares that the law permitting the vote is unconstitutional, and Congress votes to overturn that decision. Hilarity ensues.
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[Anecdotal] Proof that Homeschooling Causes Parents to Kill Own Children

Yup, that mom in Tyler TX who killed two of her kids (and I think injured a third?) homeschooled them.

Anecdotal evidence that all homeschoolers are fucking freaks.

ETA that Andrea Yates wanted to homeschool her kids (and maybe did? only cursory internet search; not sure). EA to update that she definitely homeschooled; there's a bunch of complianing by homeschoolers about how the news media used that case to unfairly malign homeschooling.

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Old 04-03-2004, 10:19 PM   #516
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It's a little like running a column by Donald Rumsfeld on Iraq and noting at the end that he was the Secretary of Defense in the Ford Administration.
Or like someone posting an anti-Bush article by Ziggy of the Peanut adminstration?
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Old 04-03-2004, 11:34 PM   #517
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Or like someone posting an anti-Bush article by Ziggy of the Peanut adminstration?
Does this post make sense to anyone? If so, could you explain it to me?
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Does this post make sense to anyone? If so, could you explain it to me?
I think he is referring to your posts from the former NSA of the Carter administration.
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Old 04-04-2004, 12:25 AM   #520
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I think he is referring to your posts from the former NSA of the Carter administration.
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and that no one would have run her column if she was simply an advisor on Iraq to the 1992 Clinton campaign. On the other hand, with the current eagerness to trash Clarke, maybe they would have.
Not true. WSJ runs editorials from the left on a fairly regular basis.
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Not true. WSJ runs editorials from the left on a fairly regular basis.
Your missing my point. It's not that she's left or right. It's that the thing that makes what she's saying interesting or important is her significance to the neo-cons, not her pedigree.
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Not true. WSJ runs editorials from the left on a fairly regular basis.
What I'm trying to say is that it doesn't matter whether she was an advisor to Clinton or Bush or Perot in 1992. Who cares? If my Rumsfeld example didn't make sense to you, it's like running a piece by Al Gore with an explanation that he ran for President in 1988.

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It's not conservative, it's just GOP.
exactly.

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Originally posted by ltl/fb And you all should be proud. Please note, this is merely a cheap shot that I could not bring myself to pass up.
And you've been so able to pass up cheap shots in the past?
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