Politics: J'accuse!

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Cite please.



Cite please.

Do you not know what I am talking about?!?!?! Why am I wasting my time discussing this with you?

Here you go:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...26/wfbi126.xml

• Analysts at the RFU were already swamped with intelligence warnings about possible attacks elsewhere in the world. "There are 2,000 flight schools around America and 200,000 students," said one official. "The bureau just didn't have the manpower to do something on this scale."
  
  One obvious shortcut - looking only at flight-school students from the Middle East - was rejected. It would breach the FBI's own procedures to prevent racial discrimination. "There are rules to be followed strictly or we lay ourselves open to complaint and to lawsuits," said a former agent. "We can't get involved in what would amount to racial profiling."

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Clarke says this in his book, but for a profit.

Lots of people say that. It is not a Clarke original exclusive idea.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone_Slothrop
You should get someone to tell you the difference between Al Qaeda and Al Jazeerah.

And Sinn Fein isn't exactly the IRA either.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
Seen any more evidence of continuing transfer of info to NK, Iran, Malaysia, or wherever?

I asked the Pakistani government to take me off their e-mail distribution list, so they haven't been sending me those updates for a while. I'll let you know as soon as I read about it in Reader's Digest.

You and Bush both seem to think that hope and a good heart is enough to get us through this dangerous world. Hope is not a plan.

You should get someone to explain to you where AQ recruits come from, from where its popular support arises, what regions and groups of people are disaffected enough to seek the same goals as the actual present AQ members, . . . the list is too long to finish here.

I refer to something in one of OBL's fatwas, and you respond by pointing to the programming on a Middle East TV station. If we were talking about the Mormon Church, and I pointed to something in the Book of Mormon, you'd probably tell me about the programming on the USA Network.

How can something be "highly unclear"? It's either unclear, or not.

Okay, sorry, I was channelling the FB there for a moment. You object to one particular part of Bush's philosophy. Therefore, you think that he is somehow honor-bound not to speak of it. I think that we are, in fact, effectively fighting a war on terror, and I think Bush is correct to focus on this. If Kerry wins, I'm sure I will likewise object to his use of the words "france-like heaven", but I'm not ego-centric enough to think he will avoid it merely to not offend me.

RP's point makes sense about "unique." Something is either unique or it isn't. Contrariwise, things can be more or less unclear. E.g., you might say, if you could ever bring yourself to admit it, that something is a "little unclear" to you.

Kos's comments reflected a stupid, visceral hatred of the guy for dumb reasons. A smirk? C'mon. You're better than that. Your comment supported what I said.

This is so lazy on your part. Maybe Kos hates him, I don't know. As a description of Bush's personality, it seems to get at something. Something club has lauded in the past.

What did you say? I still don't understand. Most unclear.

There was an element of Clinton's personality I didn't like either. So I don't think the word "hate" really fits. Both Clinton and Bush are enormously self-confident -- not surprising in a politician, but not attractive to me. Clinton displayed this in a maddening way -- the way he knew he'd slip out of whatever trouble he was in because he always did. Bush falls back on this "I'm the bigger jackass" thing when he's under pressure, to reassure himself. It's like he knows that however he performs, he's still a BMOC.

[SlaveNoMore]

Shape Shifter
Did you catch the part where they asked him if he made any mistakes? A perfect opportunity to say, "Hell yes. And I'm raising hell within my administration to correct all those mistakes." Of course he can't act like everything's going perfectly because, well, look at the world. His response? "Well, I'm not really good at thinking on my feet."

He should have said:

"Yes, appointing that old feeb Paul O'Neill. Next question."

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Not Me
Do you not know what I am talking about?!?!?! Why am I wasting my time discussing this with you?

Here you go:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...26/wfbi126.xml

• Analysts at the RFU were already swamped with intelligence warnings about possible attacks elsewhere in the world. "There are 2,000 flight schools around America and 200,000 students," said one official. "The bureau just didn't have the manpower to do something on this scale."
  
  One obvious shortcut - looking only at flight-school students from the Middle East - was rejected. It would breach the FBI's own procedures to prevent racial discrimination. "There are rules to be followed strictly or we lay ourselves open to complaint and to lawsuits," said a former agent. "We can't get involved in what would amount to racial profiling."

Lots of people say that. It is not a Clarke original exclusive idea.

Nice quote from an anonymous source who is more concerned about a lawsuit than a terrorist attack. Got something better?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And Sinn Fein isn't exactly the IRA either.

It's a hell of a lot closer to the IRA than Al Jazeerah is to Al Qaeda. Orders of magnitude. On some level, Al Jazeerah are capitalists, and they know what their audience wants to see. It's a long way from that to jihad. Al J is embracing modernity, and Al Q is a reaction to it.

[SlaveNoMore]

by Tyrone_Slothrop
You and Bush both seem to think that hope and a good heart is enough to get us through this dangerous world. Hope is not a plan.

And the people of your party think the United Nations can deliver us from evil. This isnt exactly a plan either.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
And the people of your party think the United Nations can deliver us from evil. This isnt exactly a plan either.

Tell us the part about the black helicopters again.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Nice quote from an anonymous source who is more concerned about a lawsuit than a terrorist attack.

Or more concerned about being used as a scapegoat. I would be, too, if I had worried about racial profiling when that memo came across my desk.

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Got something better?

You can find many cites by using this neat little tool www.google.com. Search away!

[SlaveNoMore]

y Tyrone_Slothrop
It's a hell of a lot closer to the IRA than Al Jazeerah is to Al Qaeda. Orders of magnitude. On some level, Al Jazeerah are capitalists, and they know what their audience wants to see. It's a long way from that to jihad. Al J is embracing modernity, and Al Q is a reaction to it.

Yes and no.

Al Q sure finds a way to get those modern videotapes from a cave in Afgha-paki-stan to the Al J satellite feed. And OBL isn't all that backward when he uses a satellite phone to call in to Al J.

Without a bully pulpit like Al J, Al Q could never feed its message to the masses. They are symbiotic*

* Yes, they do the same for the PLO, Hamas, the Al Aqsa Brigades, etc.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone_Slothrop
Tell us the part about the black helicopters again.

Are these the UN Helicopters that Kerry suggests will swoop in and take the lead in Iraq?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Yes and no.

Al Q sure finds a way to get those modern videotapes from a cave in Afgha-paki-stan to the Al J satellite feed. And OBL isn't all that backward when he uses a satellite phone to call in to Al J.

Without a bully pulpit like Al J, Al Q could never feed its message to the masses. They are symbiotic*

* Yes, they do the same for the PLO, Hamas, the Al Aqsa Brigades, etc.

Court TV got a lot of viewers out of the OJ trial, but that doesn't mean that you get special insight into the way OJ things by watching it. You're not saying anything so dumb, but bilmore was.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Are these the UN Helicopters that Kerry suggests will swoop in and take the lead in Iraq?

Did you notice that when Bush was asked who we're turning Iraq over to on June 30, he referred the questioner to the UN? I'll just sit right here and wait for you to mock him for this.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone_Slothrop
Did you notice that when Bush was asked who we're turning Iraq over to on June 30, he referred the questioner to the UN? I'll just sit right here and wait for you to mock him for this.

I've mocked this President on Steel. I've mocked him for pandering to the left and creating this drug "benefit" behemoth.

And when and if he starts singing the praises of the UN in this arena, I'll be right there to knock him.

But you're changing the topic - do you really want to [start doing that and*] become the Not Me of the left?

* edited for clarification

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Not Me
Or more concerned about being used as a scapegoat. I would be, too, if I had worried about racial profiling when that memo came across my desk.

And I would be worried if I worked for an administration that can't admit to making mistakes, can't think on it's feet, and is more interested in sloganeering and blind loyalty (see, e.g., Tom Ridge, John Ashcroft, et al.) than on buck-stopping.

You can find many cites by using this neat little tool www.google.com. Search away!

What is this "google"? Atticus? I really wish you would have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it.