New Fashion Board 10-3-2003 - 11-7-2003

[evenodds]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
And yet no one asks you if you read the paper out loud to everyone around you, or if you have an obsession with the Affleck?

Because she doesn't just list three copied gossip blurbs or regurgitate an entire article.

Quick hit, link, keep moving. It's not that hard.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
And yet no one asks you if you read the paper out loud to everyone around you, or if you have an obsession with the Affleck?

It's probably the vibrator talk. And the Not Whining.

Thanks for the Piling Onning opportunity.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Dave
Here's a tip: Jack up those retainers.

Does the exit strategy involve disappearing to a tropical island with clients' funds? I think I can handle that.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
It's probably the vibrator talk. And the Not Whining.

Thanks for the Piling Onning opportunity.

It's what I do.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by baltassoc
What I found most disturbing about the article (besides the 16 year old) was the woman who had lipo to go from a 10 to a 2(!). This just seems wrong somehow (much worse than the woman who went from a 20 to a 12, even though that's the same number of dress sizes). I just never would have figured a woman who was a 10 could get down to a 2 without some seriously wacky alterations, although I suppose if she were naturally very small, it could happen.

A couple of comments:

1: Given how women are shaped,and where they tend to collect pockets of hard-to-dislodge fat, going up or down 6-8 dress sizes through fairly moderate lipo doesn't shock me. I've known a number of women whose dress sizes are entirely determined by hips or boobs that are all out of proportion to the rest of them. I myself frequently fit a size 4 in jackets and a size 10 in skirts, and I don't even look mildly out of proportion. Suck 3-4 pounds off my ass and hips, and I'd go from a 10 to a 4, no problem. That's not even a serious lipo procedure, it's in the "suck and go" outpatient category.

That covers the 10-2 change, at least. The 20-12 could be the same thing, though I must admit it does seem to raise the "um, diet first" thoughts more readily. Lipo is not supposed to be a weight loss tool, it is for sculpting weird things diet and exercise don't get rid of.

2: I guess you need to define what is your basis for considering some sizes "normal." You are right that the "average" size of an American female is a 12. I dispute that that is "normal." Since the average height of an Aamerican female is 5'3" or 5'4", size 12 is usually not normal but overweight. Not that lipo is the answer, but, frankly, the healthy "normal" weight for most of us is closer to a 2 or a 4 than a 12.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by evenodds
Barely's boyfriend Clay Aiken debuted at No. 1 on Billboard, selling 613,000 copies of his new album.

So, Wonk and ABBA, how is it?

Who's Clay Aiken?

[evenodds]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Who's Clay Aiken?

Check the Wonk Princess's cd player.

[mmm3587]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Sixteen year olds aside, I think this is ridiculous. Everyone wants to be more desirable and better looking. Everyone. Women with nice breasts are more desirable than women without nice breasts. Women get breast implants for many reasons. Among them, yes, having power over men. But also included in that list is looking nicer in clothes (and this is as much for themselves as it is for the people who look at them) or having more self confidence or fixing something that is flawed (and yes, it could be flawed in their eyes or society's and sometimes the two can't be separated).

But jesus. It's not always a commentary on sexism in society. People want a quick fix. Breast augmentation is a quick fix. Men want quick fixes too. But the things that make men look better aren't the same. But damn, if steroids and other muscle growing substances aren't more popular than ever, I'll be a flinty's uncle. And I wonder how much money gets spent on hair regrowth formulas and wigs and shit. Same thing.

TM

I agree, and I have no problem (moral or otherwise, and of course, this is a personal decision women make, so who am I to say anything, I'm just sharing my opinion) with women wanting to look better, or getting a quick fix, or anything like that.

My concern is, in my experience with women who have had brest implants (somewhat limited, but significant enough to have an opinion) is that they don't just want to look better or sexier or have a quick fix or whatever. Like the original article mentioned, they think that these physcial changes to their bodies are going to make them different people: more confident, more attractive, more successful, more ablt to dictate that men treat them better, richer, whatever.

They view a physical change as something that is going to change the way they feel about themselves. And I don't think that's healthy. If you don't like yourself, even if you can make you like yourself more for a while with some breast implants, that's not going to make yourself like you in the long run. Even if you keep doing all these crazy things to your body to make yourself look better. And, compared to the strippers that I have known (never known any prostitutes), women who have had breast implants seem to share the same sort of feelings about themselves. They view their bodies and their breasts as a reason for men to be attracted to them and a reason for men to treat them a certain way. There's a difference between a man thinking "Wow, she has really sexy breasts" whether they're real or not, than a man thinking "Wow, her breasts are the first thing I notice, the only thing I think about, and the reason I want to get to know her." I think that the former is healthy, and I think that the latter thing is kind of sad. The women with breast implants I've known have welcomed the latter kind of attention, probably because they haven't got a lot of the former or similar, like "Wow, she is sexy", before.

Like I said, I have nothing against barely_legal's mom (in particular, I think that an older woman in a long-term relationship is more likely to be getting them for what I superficially judge to be a "good" reason, even though I know nothing about the specific situation) or barely_legal or the idea of fake breasts. I just think that the situations in which women get them are often indidative of other things.

If you disagree with my assertions about the reasons women are getting them, that's fine. Say so. But it's silly to characterize breast implants as good just because women could do them for a "good" reason. You can also be a stripper for a "good reason." It's just not usually the case.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by Mr. Slave
Last night's episode - how the Queer Eye guys caused the entire town to turn metrosexual - was the funniest episode ever.

Featuring: ...

4) That the Queer Eye guys are really Crab People - out to feminize all the men of the world so it will be easier to take over the planet.

First, dude, go reread "The Whisperer in the Darkness." Then you will REALLY laugh about the Crab People.

Second, I was also greatly gratified that the episode featured so much of your alter ego, Mr. Slave.

BR(every time I see that guy I think "hey, look, it's Mr. Slave!")C

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I hate AI.

Oh, is that who Clay Aiken is? I never watched the show, but I am highly confident that I would never buy anything recorded by someone whose career highlight was a "fifteen minutes of fame" game show.

Tax(bring back Sports Night!)wonk

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Sixteen year olds aside, I think this is ridiculous. Everyone wants to be more desirable and better looking. Everyone. Women with nice breasts are more desirable than women without nice breasts. Women get breast implants for many reasons. Among them, yes, having power over men. But also included in that list is looking nicer in clothes (and this is as much for themselves as it is for the people who look at them) or having more self confidence or fixing something that is flawed (and yes, it could be flawed in their eyes or society's and sometimes the two can't be separated).

But jesus. It's not always a commentary on sexism in society. People want a quick fix. Breast augmentation is a quick fix. Men want quick fixes too. But the things that make men look better aren't the same. But damn, if steroids and other muscle growing substances aren't more popular than ever, I'll be a flinty's uncle. And I wonder how much money gets spent on hair regrowth formulas and wigs and shit. Same thing.

TM

So you are saying you don't like my newly and unnaturally firm and uplifted breasts?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by purse junkie
How exactly does Daddy react to his daughter when she gets home from the hospital anyway? "Wow, honey, your tits look just great!"

Extra perv points for scoping out her ass implants.

Don't forget the topless 8x10 for the den. With what he paid for them puppies, he's goddam well gonna show them off!

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Don't forget the topless 8x10 for the den. With what he paid for them puppies, he's goddam well gonna show them off!

Why do you assume Daddy paid? Maybe Mommy makes some bucks. Sexist!

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Rough first for Rocket
but loss goes to Jeff Weaver.
He's Not Rivera

Rocket should have won
but Yanks strand everyone
Bonehead Boone? Luck gone

Originally posted by Not Bob
Series now tied, but
dark side of the Force is strong.
Can Fish resist it?

Yez, the Deathstar is
fully operational
Series goes seven

TM

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by robustpuppy

Why do you assume Daddy paid? Maybe Mommy makes some bucks. Sexist!

You don't go with topless. You go with tight and scanty. Parents who get breast implants for their kids are against such things as public nudity.