Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
So here's what I don't get...if the guide book disappeared inside the store, why did he feel the need to go outside?

If he had money to pay for the socks, why did he have to get bail money from a friend? More importantly, other than for our amusement, why is VV writing about this guy? Say what you will, this guy has a knack for getting press for the most mundance activities. I can't wait to read about his next trip to the dentist.

Is there an official in Mexico we can bribe to petition the US to have PT extradited? He needs to pay his debt to society.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
My point is that if your GOAL is to forgive/forget and you are working toward that why are you doing something that is directly contra to that.

I disagree. Forgiveness doesn't necessarily mean agreeing to cary on with the person socially. You can forgive someone entirely and still not want to have any contact with them at all. And even believe that, despite having forgiven them and let the matter go in your own heart, publicly shaming them will help them mend their sinful ways. Forgiveness doesn't mean acting like the offending action was OK, or ignoring your own beliefs about what is decent to continue a friendship or even acquaintanceship with someone who could ever behave in the offensive manner.

Though I agree that it is often not easy to separate the two.

[Watchtower]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
As mere mortals, should we assume that people who have done wrong have not repented in their hearts?

I think this is a very hard question that defines the differences between many different religions. If Christians everywhere could get over their differences on this issue, I think the papist/anti-papist stuff would be easy.

I have great admiration for anyone who can make this assumption, but I also think that where continuing actions or attitudes suggest that no repetence has occurred such people may be blessed fools. Of course, I'd rather be blessed than damned.

Just some thoughts from another person on the road.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
And even believe that, despite having forgiven them and let the matter go in your own heart, publicly shaming them will help them mend their sinful ways.

Fugee, is this your theory? Your church's theory?

[leagleaze]

Continuing my lets update things theme. Remember over the years some of the crazy romantic type web sites we have found?

Ranging from that kid who was collecting web site hits until he could get laid to that site that promised to stalk your potential gf for you?

Here's an article on all those.

http://alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12236

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Watchtower
where continuing actions or attitudes suggest that no repetence has occurred

Well, they did ultimately MARRY each other so it seems pretty clear they have not repented. Expecially considering they were IN A PARKING LOT.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
And even believe that, despite having forgiven them and let the matter go in your own heart, publicly shaming them will help them mend their sinful ways.

Wasn't I supposed to read a book about this in high school?

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp..._quarterback_4

I like it. I like that he knows that fighting with Rush isn't going to do anything positive and any apology he gets is empty. I also like that he calls the rest of ESPN on it. It was a bullshit comment, and someone should have called it a bullshit comment.

Maybe they can get Al Franken to appear on the show, call him a big fat idiot (again) and get him all riled up.
I think I would watch that.

Plus an update... Limbaugh didn’t back down from his comments during his syndicated radio talk show Wednesday. “All this has become the tempest that it is because I must have been right about something,” Limbaugh said. “If I wasn’t right, there wouldn’t be this cacophony of outrage that has sprung up in the sports writer community.”
Chris Berman, who anchors the ESPN show, described himself as “a New England Democrat” but added “I don’t think Rush was malicious in intent or in tone.”
“As cut and dry as it seems in print, I didn’t think so when it went by my ears,” he said. “I probably should have looked to soften it.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Wasn't I supposed to read a book about this in high school?

Maybe you saw the movie. With Demi Moore. Striptease?

[Watchtower]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Well, they did ultimately MARRY each other so it seems pretty clear they have not repented. Expecially considering they were IN A PARKING LOT.

Repentence takes many forms. One form of repentence is described below, but if this is the standard of contrition we all have to live up to, very few of us will make it to heaven:

In these deep solitudes and awful cells,
Where heav'nly-pensive contemplation dwells,
And ever-musing melancholy reigns;
What means this tumult in a vestal's veins?
Why rove my thoughts beyond this last retreat?
Why feels my heart its long-forgotten heat?
Yet, yet I love! — From Abelard it came,
And Eloisa yet must kiss the name.

Dear fatal name! rest ever unreveal'd,
Nor pass these lips in holy silence seal'd.
Hide it, my heart, within that close disguise,
Where mix'd with God's, his lov'd idea lies:
O write it not, my hand — the name appears
Already written — wash it out, my tears!
In vain lost Eloisa weeps and prays,
Her heart still dictates, and her hand obeys.

Relentless walls! whose darksome round contains
Repentant sighs, and voluntary pains:
Ye rugged rocks! which holy knees have worn;
Ye grots and caverns shagg'd with horrid thorn!
Shrines! where their vigils pale-ey'd virgins keep,
And pitying saints, whose statues learn to weep!
Though cold like you, unmov'd, and silent grown,
I have not yet forgot myself to stone.
All is not Heav'n's while Abelard has part,
Still rebel nature holds out half my heart;
Nor pray'rs nor fasts its stubborn pulse restrain,
Nor tears, for ages, taught to flow in vain.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Watchtower
Repentence takes many forms. One form of repentence is described below, but if this is the standard of contrition we all have to live up to, very few of us will make it to heaven:

In these deep solitudes and awful cells,
Where heav'nly-pensive contemplation dwells,
And ever-musing melancholy reigns;
What means this tumult in a vestal's veins?
Why rove my thoughts beyond this last retreat?
Why feels my heart its long-forgotten heat?
Yet, yet I love! — From Abelard it came,
And Eloisa yet must kiss the name.

Dear fatal name! rest ever unreveal'd,
Nor pass these lips in holy silence seal'd.
Hide it, my heart, within that close disguise,
Where mix'd with God's, his lov'd idea lies:
O write it not, my hand — the name appears
Already written — wash it out, my tears!
In vain lost Eloisa weeps and prays,
Her heart still dictates, and her hand obeys.

Relentless walls! whose darksome round contains
Repentant sighs, and voluntary pains:
Ye rugged rocks! which holy knees have worn;
Ye grots and caverns shagg'd with horrid thorn!
Shrines! where their vigils pale-ey'd virgins keep,
And pitying saints, whose statues learn to weep!
Though cold like you, unmov'd, and silent grown,
I have not yet forgot myself to stone.
All is not Heav'n's while Abelard has part,
Still rebel nature holds out half my heart;
Nor pray'rs nor fasts its stubborn pulse restrain,
Nor tears, for ages, taught to flow in vain.

You people who post these long things do realize that no one reads them, right? We need bullet points. An executive summary. Get with the program.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter

Is there an official in Mexico we can bribe to petition the US to have PT extradited? He needs to pay his debt to society.

There is always an official in Mexico that we can bribe.

[Watchtower]

Abelard loves Eloise. Eloise loves Abelard. It is a sin.

They repent. He cuts off something and goes to a monestary. She goes to a convent.

While they never stop loving each other, they love God more.

But the poem has so much more feeling to it.

(Note also that I believe this is the first use of "shagg'd" in the English language).

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Well, they did ultimately MARRY each other so it seems pretty clear they have not repented. Expecially considering they were IN A PARKING LOT.

Until you got to the parking lot part, I thought you were still talking about Mary Magdaline, or mary with a mandolin, or whatever. I liked it better that way.

This forgiveness talk is boring. But sinning fucking rawks. Even if my sinning these days is mostly limited to things like gluttany and lust. Oh, and sloth. And there's always the coveting.

Ollie (I'd covet my neighbor's ass if I lived next door to E/O) Ramone

[Aloha Mr. Learned Hand]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
Maybe they can get Al Franken to appear on the show, call him a big fat idiot (again) and get him all riled up.
I think I would watch that.

I know this is treading into politics, but...

I'm no Rush fan, but who anointed Al Franken as the anti-Rush? Calling the guy a "big fat idiot" is all he's got?

Personally, I don't care what Rush says and I don't care what the guy who inflicted Stuart Smalley and a stupidass movie about Stuart Smalley on the world says either...