Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
I emailed DTB withan explanation. Isaid mammals to distinguiosh our whiskered friends from the feathered and gilled sets.

And I am still not entirely convinced that you arent some tribute sock with paigesque qualities taken to the nth degree. Not that I would dirnk Bud light unless I was wandering a dead show parking lot and it was really hot and someone handed me one. also, your boobs are way too big

I would never attend a Dead show. Does that clear up the tribute sock question?

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Thank you. Questions:
1)how did Mary's mom get an exception for the original sin deal?
2)was the "tree of knowledge" an actual tree or was this a metaphor? What was the fruit? Pomegranate? I thought they fucked and that was the problem, but also a necessity since they were the only two people around and had to do it. Which would make us all brothers and sisters- there , problem between catholics and protestants solved!
3) if Mary Magdalene was a prostitute (which I assume was a bad thing), how did she get such a high ranking gig?
4) I thought Jesus was put to death against his will, for his beliefs. Did he intend to expunge the sin or whatnot? DId he have a clue?

1) because having anything to do with sex (like being born or giving birth) makes women whores, so they had to clear Mary so she was pure enough to bear Jesus.

2) I thought it was an actual tree and a pomegranate. Whatever it was, it's apparently Eve's fault.

3) Mary Magdalene was a hooker but repented and changed her ways and became a disciple, so she was all set. Some feminist theologians have argued she was actually an Apostle but the woman-hating pigs in the Church covered it up to justify keeping women out of the clergy.

4) way beyond me. Apparently he was just one of a bunch of other guys the Romans crucified that day though, so they didn't think anyone'd make such a big deal out of it.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
I can't speak for Paig (and wouldn't dare to anyway) but if I said mammals I would have meant everything. For over 20 years now I have gone sans mammals, fish and birds (and eggs and milk). I admit that the core of the aversion is a love of animals (as I tuck my leather shoes behind the chair) but there was also that whole thing about reading The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and being very disturbed about the process (yes, I know that things have changed a bit now). My doc says that it has been so long that my body would reject meat if I tried to eat it now. Reject? I guess that means barf. For some reason, I am very very very sensitive to the smell of meat -- I can't stand to handle it directly when I cook it for my carnivore hubby. I definitely would never touch fish, the feel and smell of poultry gives me the willies and if I touch a steak or something I swear that the smell stays on my fingers for days. I am not, however, one of those people who will say something to a meat-eater at dinner or anything -- to each his own.

For my food issues, among other things, my hubby says that I am a fucking nutball (but a harmless one) -- I think he means it in the most loving way possible.

Good thing my extreme hatred of birds allows me to avoid this problem when it comes to poultry. Okay, mainly I hate other types of birds than chickens and turkeys, but I have no qualms about letting them die for the sins of the feathered brethren and sistren.

I do feel bad about the cows (and their big eyes) though... Not bad enough to give up my once-per-month or so beef fix.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Thank you. Questions:
1)how did Mary's mom get an exception for the original sin deal?

Not quite sure, ask a Catholic on this one. I remember the story was that she and hubby were really, really old and had no kids and prayed and God cut them a break & the kid was therefore specially dedicated to god somehow it was related to that. But I am pulling that out of my hat.

2)was the "tree of knowledge" an actual tree or was this a metaphor? What was the fruit? Pomegranate? I thought they fucked and that was the problem, but also a necessity since they were the only two people around and had to do it. Which would make us all brothers and sisters- there , problem between catholics and protestants solved!

Real? What do YOU think? Seriously, it depends on how literally you take Genesis, like creation theory and everything else people fight about with this shit. But my understanding is that, in fact, it is traditionally supposed to have been a Pomegranate, yes.

Fucking was only a problem or a sin after the fall. Before, sex was totally fine because it was without sin (i.e.: lust). Actually, sex was one of the greatest things one could do to worship God because it was the most direct participation humans could have in God's great gift of the creation of life. What the fun of sex w/o lust is is a bit beyond me, but nevermind.

3) if Mary Magdalene was a prostitute (which I assume was a bad thing), how did she get such a high ranking gig?

That was rather the point. She was a ho, but she loved Jesus, and that was enough. Incidentally, she was also a lazy ho, spending one dinner party adoring Jesus and washing his feet with her hair while her sisters did all the work. When one of them called her on it (hey, you lazy ho, quit sitting at that dude's feet and help with some of this fucking clean up why don't you) jesus said she had the right of it.

4) I thought Jesus was put to death against his will, for his beliefs. Did he intend to expunge the sin or whatnot? DId he have a clue?

Jesus was put to death largely for political reasons, but he did indeed have a clue, and could have saved himself at any time and didn't because he needed to die for our sins. This is why the whole "father why has thou forsaken me" thng is such a big deal - it indicated regret that he was suffering and dying, and much ink has been spilled over the centuries explaining that one (usually: he was 100% God and 100% human all at once, and this was just evidence of his humanity & ability to suffer, making his sacrifice and god-i-ness all the more miraculous).

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Thank you. Questions:
1)how did Mary's mom get an exception for the original sin deal?
2)was the "tree of knowledge" an actual tree or was this a metaphor? What was the fruit? Pomegranate? I thought they fucked and that was the problem, but also a necessity since they were the only two people around and had to do it. Which would make us all brothers and sisters- there , problem between catholics and protestants solved!
3) if Mary Magdalene was a prostitute (which I assume was a bad thing), how did she get such a high ranking gig?
4) I thought Jesus was put to death against his will, for his beliefs. Did he intend to expunge the sin or whatnot? DId he have a clue?

1. Mary's mom? Fuck, I never even heard of her mom. I think that's what most people refer to as a "hole in the plot".

2. Depends where you live. In Missouri, its a real tree. I Greenwich, its metsphorical. The fruit was kiwi. I don't think adam fucked Eve - one of the two of them ripped out the other's rib, or maybe God did that. But nobody got laid.

3. Mary said she was sorry, and she washed Jesus' feet. I know women who'll paint your house for a good foot massage. Jesus may have been in touch with his feminine side.

4. Jesus knew he was going to be killed, but didn't run (which may mean he committed suicide, which opens quite a pandora's box since suicide is a mortal sin which would ostensibly damn you or I to hell... unless of course we said we were sorry just before we died, in which case all would be forgiven). Jesus died to expunge our sins, even though being a member of the holy trinity along with God and an amorphous "holy spirit", he technically had the power to just wipe out original sin without going through all those machinations. Again, another "hole in the plot".

[evenodds]

Though I may be the only one here able to wear this since I am not a DDDD or whatever y'all well-endowed ladies are, there is a new strapless bra -- the "Nu Bra" -- described in the paper:

Totally Strapless

To underscore skimpy, strapless tops when a normal bra won't do, Fashion Forms offers NuBra, a dazzlingly simple contraption made of two soft silicone cups that are lined with a high-tech adhesive and fasten in the front. The NuBra ($60), which goes on and off with surprising ease, clearly responds to a need: Saks Fifth Avenue, sold 500 in two months and is expecting a second shipment today. The bras come in A, B or C sizes, in black, nude or clear, and they are designed to stay sticky for more than 100 wearings — just enough to carry tube-tops and strapless dresses through Labor Day.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/15/fa...WIWN.html?8nyh

I had the earlier version that felt like styrofoam and was hard to stick, so I usually opt for braless when wear a dress cut low on the sides or back. It would be cool if this works well.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
But what is original sin? Its not sex, its not cum, but you cant have sex without it? or was that a one trick wonder? wtf is it?

as for coltraines post about chaffing nipples and blood- two different things, buddy. Never heard of nips bleeding especially to the extent where it creates an 11. Where is lactation lover?

Paigow,

I believe the only cum stains you'll find in this arena of discussion are on altar boys' collars.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
I thought it was because they saw their own nakedness, were ashamed, and put leaves on their "privates" -- did I dream that up? Maybe I am confusing religion with the need for nipple bandages when kayaking.

They saw their own nakedness and were ashamed because they had eaten from the tree of knowledge and therefore recognized their nakedness for what it was - nakedness. Without knowledge there was no shame. Covering up with the fig leaves tipped God off to the fact that they had eaten from the tree, and thus was the trigger for His royal piss-off.

Interestingly, I seem to recall that God kicked them out saying "now that they've eaten of the tree of knowledge, what if they eat of the tree of life, because then they'll be like gods themselves."

BR(I'm totally pulling this crap out of my memory, and may be wrong on any or all points, and anyone with better biblical/theological recall is sincerely invited to correct my sorry ass)C

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by evenodds
Though I may be the only one here able to wear this since I am not a DDDD or whatever y'all well-endowed ladies are, there is a new strapless bra -- the "Nu Bra" -- described in the paper:

Totally Strapless

To underscore skimpy, strapless tops when a normal bra won't do, Fashion Forms offers NuBra, a dazzlingly simple contraption made of two soft silicone cups that are lined with a high-tech adhesive and fasten in the front. The NuBra ($60), which goes on and off with surprising ease, clearly responds to a need: Saks Fifth Avenue, sold 500 in two months and is expecting a second shipment today. The bras come in A, B or C sizes, in black, nude or clear, and they are designed to stay sticky for more than 100 wearings — just enough to carry tube-tops and strapless dresses through Labor Day.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/15/fa...WIWN.html?8nyh

I had the earlier version that felt like styrofoam and was hard to stick, so I usually opt for braless when wear a dress cut low on the sides or back. It would be cool if this works well.

I've tried an earlier version of that concept also without great results. This looks kind of cool and I am WELL within that size range (I should have no issues with the kayaking). I may check it out...

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
I would never attend a Dead show. Does that clear up the tribute sock question?

Since I think I once saw the Holy Ghost at a Dead show, this is a perfect segueway for this query...

What exactly is the Holy Ghost?

You've got God and Jesus and we both know who they are. Who's this Holy Ghost cat? Is he like Curly/Shemp and Curly Joe (he'll always keep being replaced so there's no need to flesh him out too much)? Is he like God's lazy borther? Do his power's eclipse God's but he chooses to be behind the scenes like the Emporer and Darth Vader in Star Wars? Is the Holy Ghost the one who's taking notes while you're jerking off or stealing from your father's wallet? Seems to me this Holy Ghost is a lot like the NSA - he's running shit but nobody knows his politics. And if he's a ghost, who was he before he died?

And what's the "mystery" of the holy trinity? How a ghost, God and Jesus can be one in the same and three separate entities at the same time? Isn't that schizophrenia? Also, why is it a mystery at all? So three guys are all one guy at the same time - good for them. I hope they dig that gig. I'm not staying up late wondering how they do it... seems a lot of work for little gain. Who wants three sets of problems to deal with - one's enough.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by purse junkie
3) Mary Magdalene was a hooker but repented and changed her ways and became a disciple, so she was all set.

The "Mary Magdalene was a whore" line is a bit of folk theology that has lasted for centuries, but it has very little biblical support. It hinges on whether all the various people named Mary in the Gospels (with the obvious exception of the mother of Jesus) are the same person as the unnamed "sinner" in Luke 7:36-50.

I'm not saying its totally impossible, but I think it's a bit of a stretch, and it's amazing how it's one of the things that really sticks with people. Depending on whom you ask, it's either a very affirming story about forgiveness of every sin, or it's all about the oppression of women. Since nobody believes in sin anymore, the folk tradition has outlasted its usefulness and is now outweighed by its misogyny.

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Not quite sure, ask a Catholic on this one. I remember the story was that she and hubby were really, really old and had no kids and prayed and God cut them a break & the kid was therefore specially dedicated to god somehow it was related to that. But I am pulling that out of my hat.

I say, why wait til menopause to start the prayer for kids? infertility is a bitch and menopause only complicates it.
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That was rather the point. She was a ho, but she loved Jesus, and that was enough. Incidentally, she was also a lazy ho, spending one dinner party adoring Jesus and washing his feet with her hair while her sisters did all the work. When one of them called her on it (hey, you lazy ho, quit sitting at that dude's feet and help with some of this fucking clean up why don't you) jesus said she had the right of it.

Sounds like she would have done well on For Love or Money. Whyd didnt Rob invoke Jesus when he apologized? Apparently that kind of thing is a-ok.

Jesus was put to death largely for political reasons, but he did indeed have a clue, and could have saved himself at any time and didn't because he needed to die for our sins. This is why the whole "father why has thou forsaken me" thng is such a big deal - it indicated regret that he was suffering and dying, and much ink has been spilled over the centuries explaining that one (usually: he was 100% God and 100% human all at once, and this was just evidence of his humanity & ability to suffer, making his sacrifice and god-i-ness all the more miraculous).

OK, so Jesus was going to die for political reasons and since he knew he had to die for all the future babies being born anyway, he figued that was as good of a time as any? Personally, I would havfe waited for a heart attack or something less painful. Sounds kind of masochistic. Maybe he just wanted to make it as dramatic as possible.

[SEC_Chick]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
BR(I'm totally pulling this crap out of my memory, and may be wrong on any or all points, and anyone with better biblical/theological recall is sincerely invited to correct my sorry ass)C

So far so good. The only thing I would differ with you on is the old and barren couple who wanted the baby... I think you were talking about Zecharia and Elizabeth and the birth of John the Baptist rather than Mary. The other mentionable details to that story being that since Zecharia didn't believe Gabriel who appeared in the temple to tell Zechariah Elizabeth was pregnant, Zechariah was mute until after the baby was born and he confirmed by writing on a tablet that the baby was to be named John, as Gabriel directed.

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I've tried an earlier version of that concept also without great results. This looks kind of cool and I am WELL within that size range (I should have no issues with the kayaking). I may check it out...

someone get back to me on this one please. I just got the Juicy tube dress and that thing keeps working its way down the tatas. This could help. Where do those of us who live in No Saks in the City get it?

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
You really really need to get that "Not" out of your descriptor today.

Hey, you'd figure by now that people would have enough sense to PM me their religious questions to avoid watching me offend the delicate sensibilities of others, but now we've even got Paigow expressing an interest in theology. I'm a uniter, not a divider!

The Lord moves in mysterious ways. Can I get an aymen-uh!