Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[greatwhitenorthchick]

I realize I could probably look this up, but one of you likely knows the answer to this - I had a request from a gay acquaintance the other day about nice hotels to stay in in Toronto, places to see etc. It seems he is planning a trip there (lives in NYC) to get married. I didn't ask him this, but will it do him any good here - would NY recognize a gay marriage that is legal in Canada but not here? It seems to me he would have to actually move there to get any of the legal benefits of being married.

I mean - my marriage took place there and is recognized here, but it's not a same sex marriage.

[NotFromHere]

So a buddy of mine came back from Phoenix last week and says that the bars (away from the ball park) can only serve beer in plastic cups while the Diamondbacks are playing. Is this true? What the hell kind of ordinance is that?

[MisterEbola]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
So a buddy of mine came back from Phoenix last week and says that the bars (away from the ball park) can only serve beer in plastic cups while the Diamondbacks are playing. Is this true? What the hell kind of ordinance is that?

Taking a page from the book of South Carolina law which lets you buy hard alcohol at bars - only from those outrageous little mini-bar bottles.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I realize I could probably look this up, but one of you likely knows the answer to this - I had a request from a gay acquaintance the other day about nice hotels to stay in in Toronto, places to see etc. It seems he is planning a trip there (lives in NYC) to get married. I didn't ask him this, but will it do him any good here - would NY recognize a gay marriage that is legal in Canada but not here? It seems to me he would have to actually move there to get any of the legal benefits of being married.

I mean - my marriage took place there and is recognized here, but it's not a same sex marriage.

I heard a LS prof on NPR address this issue. The short answer is that it's unlikely to be recognized. A whole bunch of states passed "Defense of Marriage" acts that define marriage as M/F. They also can use their courts to deny full faith & credit to out-of-state U.S. marriages on the grounds of state public policy, which apparently is a recognized exception to FF&C in Con Law. Add to this Congress's own definition of marriage as M/F, and you're hard pressed to force a state to recognize a Canadian same-sex marriage, since foreign marriages are recognized on principles of comity --- and comity has been resoundingly absent on the same-sex marriage issue.

I think a bunch of people should go to Canada to do this anyway. If we've got a trade deficit in the bridal industry, maybe there'll be a lobbying effort by all the wedding planners.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
You're right. It is confusing. It sounds like he's saying that he is afraid that the zone of privacy is being encroached upon - in the same breath he wants the zone of privacy eliminated but just for homosexuals. If he's going after criminal activity in the home...what will become of my meth lab?

The argument that expanding the right to privacy will invite incest, meth labs, bestiality, etc.. is the same bullshit "states' rights" argument used by the anti-affirm action crowd. Neither group can come right out and say "Goddmanit, I don't like losing my spot in line to coloreds" or "Faggots offend me conservative Christian sensibilities," so they couch the argument in the classic Chicken Little "slipper slope" argument.

I love it when folks like Pat Robertson accidentally say what folks like Frist really mean but torture semantics to avoid. It always struck me as funny that republicans chided Santorum for saying in plain English exactly what most of them believe.

We will see the Jesus Nazis whipsawed in the next congressional election. They've pushed for too much too soon.

S(thankfully, pigs get slaughtered)D

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
So a buddy of mine came back from Phoenix last week and says that the bars (away from the ball park) can only serve beer in plastic cups while the Diamondbacks are playing. Is this true? What the hell kind of ordinance is that?

Weird. Maybe the ordinance has to apply uniformly to all publicans in Phoenix, including the d'backs, so it sez "no person shall serve beer in the city of Phoenix other than in a plastic cup during home games of the AZ diamondbacks" or something. Now, why they couldn't create an exception is beyond me.

Or maybe too many people started throwing glass bottles in anger during the games.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Weird. Maybe the ordinance has to apply uniformly to all publicans in Phoenix, including the d'backs, so it sez "no person shall serve beer in the city of Phoenix other than in a plastic cup during home games of the AZ diamondbacks" or something. Now, why they couldn't create an exception is beyond me.

Or maybe too many people started throwing glass bottles in anger during the games.

Maybe the DBacks organization owns a plastic cup company and maybe they told the City of Phoenix that they would become the New Mexico DBacks unless the City ensured increased business for their company.

Fuck, other communities have done more to keep a ballclub.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by leagleaze
Yeah well, I can't help it if he doesn't like it when I go down on my girlfriend(s). What does he want from me? Tickets to the show?

Possibly, but from trying to interpret his statements I, like Atticus, think he's oddly hung up on the concept of the home itself. If you went down on your girlfriend(s) somewhere other than the home, then I think we can bring Bill around.

Fortunately, you have an FB community at your disposal to offer alternate venues, and to take over the administrative burden of that ticket thingie.

Gattigap

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Thurgreed(I can spring for the Miller Lites that you'll need to unpucker a bit)Marshall

To borrow from one of my favorite old punch lines.


"Loosen up? Sure, but dont ya want to open them beers first?"

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by atticus
I think a bunch of people should go to Canada to do this anyway. If we've got a trade deficit in the bridal industry, maybe there'll be a lobbying effort by all the wedding planners.

I think a bunch of people should go to Canada and do this because, regardless of an individual state's legal recognition of the same, the gay couples will then be able, with an entirely straight face and total social legitimacy, to introduce themselves socially, and demand equal social if not legal treatment, as a married couple. And it appears that a general social acceptance needs to happen here first, since there isn't the will to implement the change from the top down.

I'm of mixed feelings about that. On the one hand it is sort of a shame that, although the courts and politicians were willing to do (even some constitutionally dubious) things to force people to do right with respect to race and, sort of, gender, they don't seem to be up to forcing the issue with sexual orientation. Then again, maybe it's not so bad if this issue will be resolved more slowly and gradually (and frustratingly for the discriminated against) but with less long-lasting social and cultural damage than the remedies for race & gender discrimination have caused if the change in policy is permitted to bubble up from the bottom. Then again (again), no one should have to wait to be accorded their basic human rights and to be protected from the damage biggoted assholes like that fucker Frist can do to them.

FWIW, I think it is very unlikely that a constitutional amendment will get the votes - a lot of people remain biggoted assholes, but I firmly believe it is not enough to pull that off. I, for one, will be a one-issue voter on this matter.

Then again, I am constantly being saddened by the ability of people to disappoint my belief in the inherent fairness and sense of justice of the common man. Maybe 3/4 of the states, and 2/3 of the jugheads we elected to Congress, really do want to knowingly continue to discriminate and effectively endorse hatred of members of their own society, even though the heroism of the Civil Rights movement is so fresh in our collective national mind that it is impossible that they not be tipped off that they are on the "fucking biggoted asshole hate-monger [I would include "Nazi" but I'd automatically lose the point]" side of this one.

Then again (again), people of that fucking fuck-head Frist's generation will be dead soon, and people of my generation seem not to have their heads so much up their asses on this matter. And if that is how long we must wait to see some basic human rights protections in this area, then, when it comes, I invite all of my like-minded compatriots to joint me for a Girl-Drink and Conga Line Party on the fucker's grave. We'll get drunk, have promiscuous same-sex necking, and pee on his fucking rotting biggoted corpse so we can drink and celebrate some more.

BR(hmm, tell us how you really feel, BRC)C

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

And another thing, about that do not call list - sign the fuck up for that shit. Now. Sign up your home number. Sign up your cellphone. Sign up your fax line. Sign up your office numbers. Sign up your 89 y.o. gramma who doesn't know how to do it herself. Sign up every number you have, or can legitimately get permission to sign up, so that the fucking telemarketer fuckers have so few numbers left to call that they have no choice but to shut up shop and let us all get back to our lives.

Fuckers. Shut the fuckers down!!!! Aaauuurrrrrggghhhh!!!!

http://donotcall.gov/

I have anger issues today.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Weird. Maybe the ordinance has to apply uniformly to all publicans in Phoenix, including the d'backs, so it sez "no person shall serve beer in the city of Phoenix other than in a plastic cup during home games of the AZ diamondbacks" or something. Now, why they couldn't create an exception is beyond me.

Or maybe too many people started throwing glass bottles in anger during the games.

People go to ball games in 109 degree weather? Unthinkable.
Still makes you wonder who's drafting the laws in Az, if they can't find the words "inside Diamondback stadium, during home games." Instead of writing a law stating everyone everwhere sell beer in plastic cups during all Dback home games.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

But if you're going to correct me on the spelling of "coed," learn how to spell "judgment."

Thurgreed(i just wanted to include you since I haven't insulted you in so long. besides, peter pan looks young -- you're more like peter pan's great uncle)Marshall

Judgment is what a court renders. Judgement is what a punk-ass bitch associate uses when em looks a word up in the dictionary. Judgement is also what experience gives you. Or gives me, actually. You too willhave judgement one day. When you're old like I am.

And I love you too, Skinny.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Or maybe too many people started throwing glass bottles in anger during the games.

Here's your answer. Yankee Stadium does the same thing, except they either (i) pour the can you buy into a plastic cup or (ii) hand you a plastic bottle of beer and keep the lid (and the lid is a different size lid than one you can find outside the stadium).

I remember in the 80s, Yankee stadium had one of those mini-wooden bat giveaways during a Boston game. Not smart. I also saw a huge Redsox banner made out of a sheet go up in flames when the Yanks were trailing to Sox. Different game.

Full bottles of beer (glass or plastic), thrown from the upper deck can kill you.

TM

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Here's your answer. Yankee Stadium does the same thing, except they either (i) pour the can you buy into a plastic cup or (ii) hand you a plastic bottle of beer and keep the lid (and the lid is a different size lid than one you can find outside the stadium).

Yeah, but this is beer bottles purchased outside the game. Do any parks allow BYOB?

And, what's with those plastic bottles? Filled with liquid -- generally beer not in its orginal form -- they can do just as much damage.